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posted 2010/01/18 at 3:33 PM by fewyn

Wrathful GladiatorRelentless GladiatorFurious GladiatorDeadly GladiatorNew Damage/Healing Debuff?#BlizzChat

Q. If damage and healing is too much per health ratio, then why don't you have battlegrounds/arenas give a -30% damage/healing debuff?
A. We have been talking about solutions like that. It might feel a bit awkward, but it might also solve the problem and maybe it's okay in the last season before an expansion to experiment a little bit.

Toravon the Ice WatcherVault of ArchavonToravon the Ice WatcherArchavon the Stone WatcherSeason 8 Start DateIcecrown CitadelshouldFebruary 2, 2010

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Comment by Abysl If Furious peices move to the honor point system, Will this include the weapons? I.E.The Furious Gladiator's Greatsword? D:
Edit: Relentless weapons moving to frost as well? Comment by heathsmith any word on the new WG gear? Comment by yoshoken1 If Furious peices move to the honor point system, Will this include the weapons? I.E.The Furious Gladiator's Greatsword? D:
Edit: Relentless weapons moving to frost as well?Comment by Flipppppyyy Wow, the ~30% Healing/Damage is gonna suck. I loved arena's how they currently were. Everything happens so fast, its a rush and test of reaction speed. The ~30% is just gonna slow down the pace and it will be more boring. Comment by Oscrizle 30% less dmg and healing will suck. Imagine those poor guys with no gear that are just starting out in bgs. The idea of minimizing burst is good, people have always died too fast in wotlk compared to BC and it doesnt allow for enough tactics in bgs and arenas but I think they went about it the wrong way.

Each new set of gear is too far above the last set and it unbalances things too much. From the start of wotlk blizz should of balanced SP/AP and stam/resil better and they wouldnt have any need to put in a quick fix like this. Comment by felixmdx hmm.. nice all those pp who did the pvp dailys and get slowly get they arena points now will loose all again, cuz for all item su need rating, but sry cuz of disbalans i dont see any reason to even enter arena Comment by sunnyko You guys realize if this change does happen, all pvp gear would be out and it be all pve gear in.... it would be like adding 2k resil to tier 10. Heals will always over power dps so in order for a kill in arena to happen typically you have to shut down the healer long enough to gib the dps..... so say the healer (lets use a druid) gets blinded then deep freeze stunned then CS he is then immune to there shutdown and free to roll hots on his dps and gg to the mage/rogue. BAD idea imo.

because with -30% dmg your not going to kill a druids dps'er in the duration of a blind / deepfreeze / cs Comment by Mikx Caus the most of us are pvp players and know what classes / balances depends myb the debuff (-30% healing and dmg) isnt such an bad idea.
But as i remember there was such an anoying fight long ago (hunter surv vs resto drood) and i critted him 1,2 k with explosive also with reduced armor etc.. etc.

In other case, if you meet an warrior + rogue and this debuff of 30% healing, it will be easy work for the dps classes caus the resto / holy etc would have more then 80% reduced healing and really much problems to heal themself or theyr partner.

Isnt there any way to get the balance per some spells / ability debuffs? Comment by Mikx slaytanic dont worry about the arena points in dalaran is still an vendor who can give you an token what exchanges 100 arena points to 2 k honor. Comment by boblebobob this wotlk arena's just sux too much nuke imo... arenas was just fine back in TBC. Comment by Secarious Aren't any spoilers how the sets will look like...? Comment by menemew Well, it is not surprising... Koralon look like a normal fire giant and Emalon (No lame) look like a normal storm/iron giant BUT Archavon was the first one to have an earthy model Comment by nerflocked The 30% reduction is a horrible idea. It does absoluately nothing except scale the problem... Comment by montezuma7 One extremely important factor that people are missing here (in regards to -30% damage across the board) is the fact that Melee will have a huge advantage over ranged classes with these changes.

Why? Because while a ranged class will do -30% less damage while a melee class closes in on them, once within range, the melee damage/offensive utility will be far more devastating than what any ranged class did when they had range due to the fact that the whole dynamic is balanced around the fact that once melee is within range, they obviously have the upper hand.

The fact that an MS might crit you for 4k instead of 5, or a rogue might do 30% less damage while you are in a stunlock does not balance out the fact that they closed in on you with 30% more health than they would have had but now have the clear advantage of being in melee range.

I agree that level 80 PvP is way too "insta-gibby" and changes need to be made, but this is certainly not a wise one. It is merely a quick patch which I guarantee would cause major frustration from those who play ranged based classes.Comment by BvH91 One extremely important factor that people are missing here (in regards to -30% damage across the board) is the fact that Melee will have a huge advantage over ranged classes with these changes.

Why? Because while a ranged class will do -30% less damage while a melee class closes in on them, once within range, the melee damage/offensive utility will be far more devastating than what any ranged class did when they had range due to the fact that the whole dynamic is balanced around the fact that once melee is within range, they obviously have the upper hand.abilities to get out of range(maths)you need to get your opponent where you want him, more oftenI probably forgot some things and left them out of the equation as well.
Comment by passaj One extremely important factor that people are missing here (in regards to -30% damage across the board) is the fact that Melee will have a huge advantage over ranged classes with these changes.

Why? Because while a ranged class will do -30% less damage while a melee class closes in on them, once within range, the melee damage/offensive utility will be far more devastating than what any ranged class did when they had range due to the fact that the whole dynamic is balanced around the fact that once melee is within range, they obviously have the upper hand.

The fact that an MS might crit you for 4k instead of 5, or a rogue might do 30% less damage while you are in a stunlock does not balance out the fact that they closed in on you with 30% more health than they would have had but now have the clear advantage of being in melee range.

I agree that level 80 PvP is way too "insta-gibby" and changes need to be made, but this is certainly not a wise one. It is merely a quick patch which I guarantee would cause major frustration from those who play ranged based classes.Comment by rammsteintor awsome Comment by rob1n3tt If they are going to make a -30% DMG / healing debuff and that applys to all people in the BG, the ''noob-geared'' players who just dinged 80 will suck even harder. So to say: if they make such an experiment, please base it on the gear. Lets say a player has an gear avarage of 200, then the debuff dont apply, but if he / she has full 251 / 264 it will apply, just my idea of maiking it a bit more fair. :) Comment by AmicaGL If they are going to make a -30% DMG / healing debuff and that applys to all people in the BG, the ''noob-geared'' players who just dinged 80 will suck even harder. So to say: if they make such an experiment, please base it on the gear. Lets say a player has an gear avarage of 200, then the debuff dont apply, but if he / she has full 251 / 264 it will apply, just my idea of maiking it a bit more fair. :)Comment by maninstar The Furious gear set will be available for honorpoint.
But will Relentless be the secondary gear available for honorpoints with boots, waist, wrist. neck, rings and back?
And will they replace the trinkets , enchanting and other gear availible from Wintergrasp marks for better stuff?

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