Yahoo. Great change!
And the price of my Ench mats on the AH will go right out the window.... thanks blizz..... continually flipping my world upside down since vanilla
Lespaul1981:Ive just been told that on the PTR the DE roll can only be used by enchanters and over-rides the greed roll...I doubt theyd let it go live but that would be awesome!Sounds like a misinterpretation of the point where it says that DE is only available if there is an Enchanter in the grp.Its kind of funny but greed is kind of keyword here cause all the people complaining here about this feature are enchanters afraid of loosing income from their profession.The whole point of this functionality is not to mess with enchanters, its to solve the trade problem cross-realm, since we cant trade the shards cross-realms.Say they solved the problem with cross-realm trade instead. Wouldn't be much diff since u would still trade the shards in the end. Only diff would be that they were evenly distributed and more work for the enchanter, which dont get paid for doing the final DE anyway.
I'd like to see an offspec/non-primary-armor-type roll added in that's below Need, but above Greed/Disenchant. Heck, if you want to avoid ninjas, put in an option to vote whether the Offspec roll is valid! Believe it or not, itemization is not perfect and people often find odd items that are strictly speaking upgrades, but would not be counted under the new rule. Run around Dalaran for a bit and start /inspecting healers. I'd be willing to lay money on the fact that most of them have a mix of armor types. Stats>armor points. Up until now, that kind of thing wasn't a big deal. Quick question to the rest of the party (hey, that's an upgrade, does anybody mind if I take it?), usually no one does, upgrade is upgrade. As this stands, this new rule is going to hurt the healing community, particularly the new ones who are still building up their sets. Bliz is already redoing the system, why not add an Offspec option?
Its kind of funny but greed is kind of keyword here cause all the people complaining here about this feature are enchanters afraid of loosing income from their profession.Maybe it is people who are worried about losing group/raid spots to enchanters? Next thing you know people will not only WANT 1 tank, 1 healer, but also WANT 1 Enchanter. Runs for tokens/gold will probably be spamming for Enchanters long after the have the tank/heal spots filled.Two equally geared playes and one spot open, Oh wait one is an enchanter and the group doesn't yet have one...
Maybe it is people who are worried about losing group/raid spots to enchanters? Next thing you know people will not only WANT 1 tank, 1 healer, but also WANT 1 Enchanter. Runs for tokens/gold will probably be spamming for Enchanters long after the have the tank/heal spots filled.Two equally geared playes and one spot open, Oh wait one is an enchanter and the group doesn't yet have one...They don't do that now, so I don't see why they would do it with the new system.
Maybe it is people who are worried about losing group/raid spots to enchanters? Next thing you know people will not only WANT 1 tank, 1 healer, but also WANT 1 Enchanter. Runs for tokens/gold will probably be spamming for Enchanters long after the have the tank/heal spots filled.Two equally geared playes and one spot open, Oh wait one is an enchanter and the group doesn't yet have one...They don't do that now, so I don't see why they would do it with the new system.because now they're afraid the enchanter will ninja, but now the item doesn't go through the enchanter and so there is no chance to ninja the shards/crystals
because now they're afraid the enchanter will ninja, but now the item doesn't go through the enchanter and so there is no chance to ninja the shards/crystalsYou really think that? People currently don't invite enchanters specifically because they are scared they will ninja the crystals instead of dividing them up? Apparently your server is full of ninjas and pessimists then. I have never ever ever been in a PuG that didn't want the unused drops DE'd. Never. And I PuG a lot.
Because if the miner wasn't there, there wouldn't be anything to roll on. If the enchanter wasn't there, there would still be gear to roll on.I hope Blizzard decides to apply this to Northern Cloth Scavenging then (okay, I don't, I have a priest tailoring alt). After all, without a tailor, you still get a bit of cloth - but with a tailor, you'll be getting quite a bit more.Yeah, I'm an enchanter, and this is a win. I love the change. Greed still trumps the auto DE, so all is good.No it doesn't.My issue with this is, that I don't like my profession being taken for granted. I don't mind disenchanting for people, but I do prefer that I'm asked to do it before hand. Not to mention, it's annoying that I'll actively be helping other players flood the enchanting materials market, lowering the potential profit from my profession.This is pretty much my issue.I honestly don't think I'm going to like this very much.Pretty much crapping on enchanters if you ask me.
Pretty much crapping on enchanters if you ask me.Agreed. They should make it so all bosses drop a cut epic gem, and lets throw in some other crafting mats.... thatll even it up, and lessen the value for people trying to use their profession to make money.....
LoL. That would be kind of funny actually :DLF Enchanter, last spot ICC. Link ench skill for inv :pBut seriously. If ppl are just going for the shards they will probably start a farm with their friends or guildies.I seriously doubt ppl will focus on inv an ench to the grp when doing an instance or raid. It will probably be like now, if there is one in the grp its nice, if not , who cares.
So those with the problem feel they are being abused and I should not be allowed to have the mats if I win the greed/DE roll? That's just spite. I use mats for enchants, and you don't have to DO anything. Not even the old "just click a button". You want exclusive rights to mats to either sell or use.Selling them equates to a non enchanter selling them so that's a non-issue. Either way you will "flood" the market.Using them for leveling is fine, but don't complain that you picked a difficult profession to level. "Flooding" the market would work to your advantage in this case.Using them to make scrolls to sell isn't going to be affected much. People sell their DE mats everyday and the WoW economy hasn't crashed. Even if this change somehow floods the market, just make scrolls and sell them. I doubt this will make every enchanter who hasn't done so already start selling their enchants on scrolls. Mountains out of molehills.It won't be square until all DE mats are handeled and sold through your realms local liscensed Enchanters union. Once a proper monopoly is established, you can charge ridiculous prices and fulfill your wildest dreams.I'd say that adding an Opt-out option would be good, but I'd vote to kick you if I found out you were being a stingyasss.
Wow, there are a lot of unintelligent people on these forums. Actually that's not surprising at all.For the Enchanters who say you should be asked and/or tipped to DE. This has only very recently been an issue since trading was allowed. Before trading you could not get BoP items DE'd. So unless you told people before a run that you were an Enchanter and would DE anything others passed only if they tipped, then this is not an excuse. Unless you think the trading system was put in place specifically for Enchanters to get more tips. Anyone that has charged for DEing a tradeable item has just been abusing the old system. This change will remove that abuse.For those saying they prefer doing it all at the end. Well, how did you do it before? Everyone passed to the Enchanter who DE'd at the end and passed out shards based on /roll, right? Well, no stopping you from doing the same thing. This change will not affect guild runs.Enchanters are losing out because we now roll on shards. Wrong, we are still rolling on items just like before. However, now if someone wins the BoP item they don't have to vendor it.You're supposed to roll need for offspec now? NOW? Since when didn't you roll need for offspec, after asking if anyone needed it for main first of course? If you greed for offspec you're rolling against everyone who wants to DE or sell.Items worth more to sell than DE. Well then you greed of course. You have the option if you would like the item or the shards. This change is not removing choice or common sense, for those that had it to begin with.Greed=DE. YES, look at the picture. The hover text for DE says I want to greed but would like it DEd. What would be the point of DE if someone else Greeded and had no competition?There is ONLY ONE valid downside to this and that is that more dusts/shards/crystals on the AH which will lower the price and therefore profit for Enchanters. One would hope that since mats are cheaper more people would be willing to tip/tip better for enchants, enchant more often, and buy better enchants earlier. I will not argue with anyone who says this is their reason for not liking this change, although I don't mind. But everyone else is just not using their head when they come up with these bad excuses.Enchanters should be able to control the feature. Sure, I don't mind. Let a-hole Enchanters not DE for their group. The group could just as easily found someone else, especially with the new LFD (please stop calling it the new LFG system, there will be two different systems) system, gone without an enchanter, and sold the loot. I guarantee it's not that big of a deal to them because they're running for Emblems anyway. If anything your enchanting will allow you into more groups because of the now ease of getting the shards, but not if you don't DE of course. Though like someone said above, most likely that will not change
The only issue I see, is what a lot of ppl have been complaining about, if an item is an upgrade, but isn't your main armor type, there is no way for you to win it. Unless of course you tell everyone to pass on greed/DE rolls so you can win the greed roll. I don't mind if a paladin wins a piece of mail armor, as long as there isn't any mail wearers that need it. This new greed/DE system is awesome for most ppl, I play a mage, so it only benefits me, but I still see an issue of concern. But whatever, paladins are always QQing about something. lol
The other problem I see with this is the following:Usually, when we run, there are enough shards/crystals for everyone to get one. Very few people actually need stuff from instances now. It's nice to roll at the end and get a semi-sure drop. This way, one person could win all the shards from an instance. While the overall probability is the same, I prefer the old way. The easier thing to do, imo, would be to let enchanters DE through the trade window, with the stipulation they can only DE BoP items if they are eligible to have the item traded to them. Works out nicely. Of course, it would also be nice if you could DE BoE items through the trade window as well....
Could always have ppl pass on shard rolls once they have already loot one....
I have to agree with all the naysayers. I get most of my mats from running 5mans, and now being forced to DE for everyone else is horrible. We don't get to roll on their cloth or their ores in dungeons. I say they just add an option so I can refuse to DE, thus with guildies I can auto DE, but in a PUG its still greed=greed.
My issue with this is, that I don't like my profession being taken for granted. I don't mind disenchanting for people, but I do prefer that I'm asked to do it before hand. Not to mention, it's annoying that I'll actively be helping other players flood the enchanting materials market, lowering the potential profit from my profession.If by flooding the market, you mean with the materials you need to actually enchant things thereby lowering the price per enchant? That last point doesn't make much sense to me, especially when you consider the fact that this is a cross-server system we're talking about. You may never see these people again, and if they do AH things, it's not ending up in next to your stuff. If your point is that you are only making money from selling mats, then I'd like to point out that the other enchanters who actually do use their mats likely have the same opinion of you as you do of the new system.Also, for the record, your profession isn't being ignored. It's just needed to DE the gear that drops, it's just automating the actual process and handing out the results in the same fashion as happens now, in most cases. If you want to keep the DE mats for yourself, all you have to do is roll greed.
I myself am an enchanter, and I personally won't like the change if items can be disenchanted without having an enchanter in the group.Now if the disenchant option was only available if a skilled enchanter was in the group, then I'd have no problem with it.
I myself am an enchanter, and I personally won't like the change if items can be disenchanted without having an enchanter in the group.Now if the disenchant option was only available if a skilled enchanter was in the group, then I'd have no problem with it.It is only available if there is an enchanter in the group with a high enough level to DE the items.