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Two handed weapon or two one handed weapons as frost dk?
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Post by
Zakkhar
Always always duel wield as frost! Look at Threat of Thassarian and see why...
Sigh. I dont see why...
You look only at DW talent, while 2h has its own that balances it out:
Might of the Frozen Wastes
Sure your frost strike wont hit as hard as with DW, but 2h Oblit will hit 2x harder than DW.
DW strong points:
Rune of Razorice
, more KM procs, high autoattack damage, good sustained damage
2h strong points: more stats from 2h weapon, better burst
Post by
Piz420
Always always duel wield as frost! Look at Threat of Thassarian and see why...
DW strong points:
Rune of Razorice
, more KM procs, high autoattack damage, good sustained damage
Yes KM procs a lot but the melee damage is not that all special... its always 5-6th on Recount unlike say SMF Warriors where its No. 1 in damage.
Post by
Zakkhar
Always always duel wield as frost! Look at Threat of Thassarian and see why...
DW strong points:
Rune of Razorice
, more KM procs, high autoattack damage, good sustained damage
Yes KM procs a lot but the melee damage is not that all special... its always 5-6th on Recount unlike say SMF Warriors where its No. 1 in damage.
I am not comparing DKs to warriors, i am comparing Dw frost with 2h frost.
SMF warriors have higher autotack damage due to 35% passive increase (and everything else beside execute hits like wet noodle in comparison to dk skills). Place on the recount* has nothing to do with the damage comparison.
*) dps meters destroyed the game. Too many people have no clue how to use them and rely on them in every aspect of the game, which produces extremly irritating situations.
Post by
Piz420
Dude, calm down! Jesus... No one said anything about comparing classes and what not. Just saying auto attack damage is under every other ability. The original question about 2H to DW has been answered several times already.
How do YOU use damage meters then since the rest of us are incorrect apparently? How does a chart that sees if are pulling your own weight destroying the game? Is it easier to troll World of Logs after every boss pull?
Post by
Zakkhar
Dude, calm down!
I dont understand why you think i am not calm. I am just claryfying the facts. I didnt meant to put any emotional attachment to it and i fail to see any (i see plenty of signs at your post though). Can you please show me which part of my statement made you think that?
Jesus... No one said anything about comparing classes and what not. Just saying auto attack damage is under every other ability. The original question about 2H to DW has been answered several times already.
Of course its been, thats why i quoted the exact post i was refering to.
How do YOU use damage meters then since the rest of us are incorrect apparently?
Damage done (by certain ability or certain person) - not places on chart (these are completely irrelevant even within same spec, class and encounter not to mention comparing specs) and certainly not dps.
How does a chart that sees if are pulling your own weight destroying the game?
Its problem is that its extremly unreliable in some encounters and not very functional either. Its just an imperfect image of the real information. It should be taken with a grain of salt, not relied on like it was reality.
Is it easier to troll World of Logs after every boss pull?
World of logs is much closer to "reality" (and shows much more), while its certainly less comfortable to use. Dps meters favour convenience over accuracy (beside recount, which probaly favours CPU usage before anything else).
If you want to measure your performance you need to have something to compare it to. WoL is best at that.
Certain encounters (different targets, different roles, phasing, dmg buffs, dmg debuffs etc) and certain classes mechanics* can totally blur the real image. Dps/hps/damage taken meters wont show any of those or will show them in much less convenient way.
Typical way of misuing dps meter is pulling it after a wipe, which wasnt caused by enrage timer.
Same with healing meter - pulling one when wipe was caused by someones mistake instead of low healing.
Basically there are a lot of things you can do which benefit your raid, while slightly lowering your personal performance. No dps meter can log that and even if they can it is rarely checked because all nubcakes care bout is (personal) DPS. Not to mention different dps meters (and different people too) log things differently (may want to try install a couple and check how much they differ between each other).
On the other hand there is a lot of things you can do to improve your personal perfromance, while lowering the raid performance. DPS meters make these
Scumbag Dps
, the heroes (in their own and other nubcake eyes).
Post by
Piz420
I am glad you took the time to quote every sentence and edit it a few times to make yourself sound more intelligent and come off @#$%^&y. Kudos to you :D(##RESPBREAK##)16##DELIM##asakawa##DELIM##Address the points raised or don't but keep it on topic.
Post by
DraconisAerius
Personally I'm liking 2H atm. 280k OB crits ftw!
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1070247
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Post by
Trishi
Personally I'm liking 2H atm.
280k OB crits ftw!
very simple difference... acquiring a 2handed will be cheaper then 2 one handed for your initial, however; if your either well funded or at level cap go for the two 1 handers after building the bulk of your gear set. Your runes stack and your enchantment procs stack.
You don't need an add-on to visualize that burst
....
I want to point out that burst is even less important than DPS in a PvE setting.
If you can make the enrage timer, your raid-wide dps doesn't matter. Going for speed is what you do when you farm, not when you initially try to complete it. That route
will
lead to more wipes, which incidentially also means more time wasted. This is from a healers perspective, not a DPS or tank. Being useful in a raid =/= DPS or damage done. This is a common misconception that a lot of damage dealers make.
Burst, however, means practically nothing against raid-bosses. You deal 300k damage against that boss? Too bad the boss has 1,5
billion
hp. You just did less than 0,02% of his hp in damage. Sustain is far more important, unless we are talking very specific bosses here.
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1070247
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Post by
Corq
Another thing to keep in mind is that DW seems to be an easier rotation to ensure that your procs are all consumed correctly. For example, with 2H I sometimes find myself ready to Frost Strike, and as soon as I hit the button, a rune is randomly generated and a Killing Machine proc is wasted on Frost Strike instead of Obliterate. That being said, it's much easier to control your procs when DW, well for me atleast. :D Also, the AoE damage for DW seems to be a bit better.
Post by
Zakkhar
Another thing to keep in mind is that DW seems to be an easier rotation to ensure that your procs are all consumed correctly. For example, with 2H I sometimes find myself ready to Frost Strike, and as soon as I hit the button, a rune is randomly generated and a Killing Machine proc is wasted on Frost Strike instead of Obliterate.
Its not wasted. The random generated rune wouldnt occur if you didint Frost strike.
Your other choice is wait for Obliterate to be usable and you sometimes can do that depending on the timer (unless you are close to rune capped than you should FS anyway).
2h isnt as spammy and mashy as DW. You actually have to trace your cooldowns, procs and runes at all times.
That being said, it's much easier to control your procs when DW, well for me atleast. :D Also, the AoE damage for DW seems to be a bit better.
Of course there is much easier to control if there is nothing to control.
Post by
Trishi
Personally I'm liking 2H atm.
280k OB crits ftw!
I want to point out that burst is even less important than DPS in a PvE setting.
*stuff*
/agree
Original comment from pvp perspective
From a PvP perspective?
Huh. I have never seen any Death Knight hit that high in PvP. Ever. 180k is the best I've ever seen, and that's on YouTube somewhere. Those who try to burst me down, rarely hit harder than 150k on a crit. Might just have been seeing nothing but noobs.
Besides, if all you care about is ridiculously large hits, roll an Arms warrior. They are only half-decent, but get a lucky streak, and you can easily insta-gib, or global, pretty much
anyone
.
Post by
Zakkhar
Besides, if all you care about is ridiculously large hits, roll an Arms warrior. They are only half-decent, but get a lucky streak, and you can easily insta-gib, or global, pretty much
anyone
.
Or fire mage, instant pyros - alter time, while dots are ticking etc.
Post by
DraconisAerius
Simple answer to this whole debate, Currently 2H Frost sims as the highest dps of the 3 DK DPS specs. With our only cd's being Army and Pillar we are well suited to, and balanced for, good sustained dps, but because of the short cd of Pillar, and the large hits of OB, we have excellent burst for situations such as the orbs on Elegon.
2H or DW? 2H does more dps. Deal with it.
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Post by
Zakkhar
2H or DW? 2H does more dps. Deal with it.
From viewing on 21st Jan 2013,
Noxxic
has 2hand as 101740 and DW as 101940 for maximum dps. Ergo, no, 2H does not do more dps "deal with it"
What's more, looking at their
realistic dps
, you can see that DW is quite some way ahead of 2hand, with 91876 over 90672, ranking DW in 7th while 2h is 11th.
Viewing or updating? They havent updated this ^&*! for a while. Also their sims are flawed.
Check EJ.
Post by
DraconisAerius
play what you prefer
.
Frankly I think it comes more down to: "Play what the loot gods bless you with." I have yet to see ANY one handers in raids this expac but I have the 2H axe from sha off my first normal kill so that's what I use. However having compared 2H and DW in week one of MSV being out (I had both from copius dugeon runs) 2H is ahead by a short margin of maybe 5-6k dps using the same gear.
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