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Post by
Gone
So if any on these forums know me, then you know that my absolute favorite raid since I started playing wow was Ulduar. An awesome, fun to progress raid to be sure, with Yogg-Saron being just about the most badass %^&*ing boss ever faced.
Now skip forward about two years, theres a new Old God on the way being set up to be even bigger and badder than Yogg, or C'Thune for that matter. There are dozens of theories and rumors flying all over the place about this guy, so I figured i would make a general thread to adress all of them.
The main ones i have seen boil down as follows (feel free to add any you have that i didnt think of)
Is Deathwing working for him?
Where is his raid going to be located? And what kind of raid enviroment can we expect?
What kind of fight mechanics are we in for?
What is the tentacle to eyeball ratio going to be?
As I said Ulduar was my favorite raid, so if they put half the work into this one that they did into that i will be a pretty happy customer, add to that the fact that i am an avid Old God fan, I am pretty stoaked for this mofo.
As for my thoughts...
To the first one I think it is very likley that Deathwing is working for the Old God, I have been saying that almost since caty first launched before blizz shoved a dozen hints about it down our throats. Christ Metzen said he was likley "signing Deathwings checks" as well as the fact that half this expansion is balls deep in Old God mechanics/tentacles. Plus a quote Deathwing gave to Alexstraza in Twilight Highlands where he says he was empowered by this worlds "true masters" after she mentioned him wasteing the power given to him by the titans (the old gods were the original enemies of the titans)
As to where the raid is located I would say its most likley Vashjir. If anyone read the quotes from Yoggs puzzle box it seems to suggest that talking about a "drowned god", also if anyone read the novel stormrage then twords the end when Malfurion is wrapping up the Emeral Nightmare he sences an "ancient and powerfull evil keeping hold beneath Azeroths ocean". If so it would most likley be an under water style raid ala Throne of Tides (hey it looked pretty sweet the first time before we got it shoved down our throats for dailys a thousand times). If he is under water then he was also likley the same one who originaly turned Azshara and her pose into naga (more evidence he is behind Deathwing, since she is supposedly working with Ragnaros atm)
As for fight mechanics its really anyones guess, but i think its safe to say there will be tentacles involved, and we are going to be inside him (teehee) at some point. If they bring back an insanity type mechanic that would be pretty sweet, though perhaps not exactly like Ulduar, we dont want to be repetitive after all. I personaly enjoy things like that on bosses like Chogall and Atramedes, also they may do an under water phase in combat somewhat similar to phase 3 in
Alaqueer
Alakir (hope they dont myself though, ive kinda had my fill of that)
Anyway its late so that about sums up my thoughts on the matter, i can honestly say i am more psyched about this than any boss in a long while. So what do yall think on the matter?
Post by
OverZealous
While i am by no means even nearly a lore-freak, which means Adams will likely find lots of flaws in my reasoning before i even start, I find it unlikely that Deathwing is working for N'zoth. He doesn't come across as a guy who'd work for someone.
Secondly, he is (was?) an Aspect. The Aspects are beings of extraordinary power, and i don't think he'd need the help of an Old God to do pretty much anything he wants. I mean look what happened during the Shattering.
Third (this being the part I'm highly unsure about) the Old Gods servants don't go around absolutely wrecking the world, do they? I mean of course, they do kill a fair share of well, everyone, but as far as I can remember I haven't seen any of them literally destroy the planet. Deathwing's "rise" caused rips and major changes to the very climate of the planet, and I don't think (again, I'm most certainly wrong) the Old Gods much like destroying the world they seek to control.
Please, do correct any flaws you might find.
As for the raid location; I'm going to go with you and say Vashj'ir. It seems rather logical, and that quote you mentioned seems to strenghten that theory.
I really hope we'll see something all-new as we did with Yogg-saron. Don't bring back Insanity, rather do something completely different. I agree with you when you say there's going to be tentacles. Hopefully lots of 'em. It isn't a real Old God if he(it) doesn't do tentacles!
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655776
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Post by
Gone
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Secondly, he is (was?) an Aspect. The Aspects are beings of extraordinary power, and i don't think he'd need the help of an Old God to do pretty much anything he wants. I mean look what happened during the Shattering.
Third (this being the part I'm highly unsure about) the Old Gods servants don't go around absolutely wrecking the world, do they? I mean of course, they do kill a fair share of well, everyone, but as far as I can remember I haven't seen any of them literally destroy the planet. Deathwing's "rise" caused rips and major changes to the very climate of the planet, and I don't think (again, I'm most certainly wrong) the Old Gods much like destroying the world they seek to control.
Well when the Old Gods ruled Azeroth they pretty much had the elemental lords turn it into a primordial wasteland that could barley support life, so wantan destruction is like their bread and butter. And while the aspects are very powerfull on their own the Old Gods are much more powerfull, so whilit may not be so much that Deathwing
needs
the help of an Old God, as he is being controlled by the Old God and dosnt have a choice.
There were actualy other hints that he is working for them as well that i left out caus i didnt wanna over inflate that part of my poste, there is a mob in Deepholme that yells "While it is true that we serve Deathwing, we also serve a higher power, never forget that!". Also in the PTR version of his fight with Alexstraza at the part where he yells "witness the power granted to me by this worlds true masters" he has tentacles comming out of his body. I mean the second point was partly removed for the live version, but still it makes you think.
But regardless we wont know for sure untill it actualy happens, to each his own ideas right? :D
Post by
OverZealous
Well, if that is the case, then I suppose i'll have to take back what I said. Looking at it in that light, it seems likely.
Question is though, do we see N'zoth or Deathwing first?
A question though; Isn't it so that the Old Gods are all imprisoned or destroyed? Are they still vastly more powerful than the Aspects, even in their weakened state?
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338102
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Post by
Gone
well i have to be honest, Im expecting adams to post in here
as for the fight, i can tell you that of course, just as the other old gods N'zoth will involve tentacles for sure and just as you, ill be eager to see this fight, since i considered Ulduar the best raid of all WoW, alas i think Algalon as the best boss in there and C'thun falls behind *just* shortly not because of the fight mechanics, but instead what they represent
Yaa Algalon was badass to be sure, I still think Yogg was more epic though, especialy when my guild started trying him with none of the keepers up O.o
I remember our servers first
Yogg+0
didnt happen till well after TOC was out
A question though; Isn't it so that the Old Gods are all imprisoned or destroyed? Are they still vastly more powerful than the Aspects, even in their weakened state?
Well yes and no. Yes they are still much more powerfull, but their power over the world beyond their prison is very limited, which is why they still need puppets like Azhsara, Deathwing and Lohken to do their bidding. Mostly their power now is limited to whispering in the minds of mortals to controll them. The greatest display of the ability to effect the world beyond their prisons seen by an Old God was when N'Zoth (if indeed it was him) turned Azshara and the highborn into naga.
Post by
OverZealous
Yogg-0 was the absolutely most Insane fight I have ever experienced in my gaming career. First night we attempted it we had three tries before our officers went "Ah hell no"
In my opinion, Algalon was only tough because of the timer. Many of the hard-modes required to reach Algalon would have been harder had there not been a set timer.
Post by
Gone
Yogg-0 was the absolutely most Insane fight I have ever experienced in my gaming career. First night we attempted it we had three tries before our officers went "Ah hell no"
In my opinion, Algalon was only tough because of the timer. Many of the hard-modes required to reach Algalon would have been harder had there not been a set timer.
Yogg = skill check
Algalon = gear check
Because of this Algalon lost some of his luster with time while Yogg stayed epic, Algalon was still a pretty intense fight when it first happened though
Post by
Cambo
The thing you learn about Warcraft lore, is that there is always someone bigger and more powerful.
Read the books, and you are in awe because a character is really powerful. Then another is even more powerful. And so on, and so forth. Then it gets annoying.
I believe the hierarchy goes as follows, in order from least to most powerful: Dragonflights < Elemental Lords < Aspects < Old Gods < Titans (I.E. Sargeras).
Post by
Orranis
Inb4 Adamsm's worship of Deathwing without Old God's.
Personally, if the Dev's have said he's still under Old God influence, I think we should assume they are until something (new) comes along and says he's not. Previously I believed he wasn't, now I believe he is.
I believe the hierarchy goes as follows: Dragonflights > Elemental Lords > Aspects > Old Gods > Titans (I.E. Sargeras).
Cambo, stop failing at basic math symbols. That's backwards. And I'm not sure about how you seperate Aspects from Dragonflights...
Edit: Furthermore, I think it depends on the Aspect. Deathwing would stomp Ragnaros into extinction, but Hyjal made it pretty clear that Rag would burn Ysera to a crisp in a 1v1 showdown.
Post by
Cambo
Cambo, stop failing at basic math symbols. That's backwards. And I'm not sure about how you seperate Aspects from Dragonflights...
Whoa, calm down Orranis. I was thinking arrows. I shall now hold a global press conference and tearfully apologise for failing at symbols.
An Aspect is a leader of a dragonflight. They can probably kill the underlings.
Regular dragons are quite powerful. One of the most powerful beings in Azeroth. More so than Murlocs, Naga, Ogres etc.
Post by
OverZealous
I love how you brought murlocs into an Old God discussion
Post by
Orranis
Cambo, stop failing at basic math symbols. That's backwards. And I'm not sure about how you seperate Aspects from Dragonflights...
Whoa, calm down Orranis. I was thinking arrows. I shall now hold a global press conference and tearfully apologise for failing at symbols.
An Aspect is a leader of a dragonflight. They can probably kill the underlings.
Regular dragons are quite powerful. One of the most powerful beings in Azeroth. More so than Murlocs, Naga, Ogres etc.
Oh, I wasn't serious. Tone recognition over internet fails.
At the same time, I don't think you can fairly separate Dragonflights from Aspects without also making say, Elementals from Elemental Lords, at which point things just get all choppy because Conclave of the Wind members are more powerful then your given Emerald Whelp, while Nefarian is more powerful then your average weak Elemental that only exists for farming Eternal Fires.
Post by
Gone
Furthermore, I think it depends on the Aspect. Deathwing would stomp Ragnaros into extinction, but Hyjal made it pretty clear that Rag would burn Ysera to a crisp in a 1v1 showdown.
I think the same thing could be true of the Titans vs Old Gods, while its true a Titan like Sargeras would prolly stomp an Old God 1v1, remember C'Thune killed a Titan during the ordering
Post by
Orranis
Furthermore, I think it depends on the Aspect. Deathwing would stomp Ragnaros into extinction, but Hyjal made it pretty clear that Rag would burn Ysera to a crisp in a 1v1 showdown.
I think the same thing could be true of the Titans vs Old Gods, while its true a Titan like Sargeras would prolly stomp an Old God 1v1, remember C'Thune killed a Titan during the ordering
Yeah, there was supposed to be six main Titans and five Old God's during the Ordering of Azeroth, and I don't remember one dying, that still leaves them outnumbered. I'm not sure how Old God's vs. Titans would play out.
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338102
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Post by
Monday
but wouldn't N'zoth be also responsible for the Emerald dream corruption
Yes, N'Zoth is the creator of the Nightmare.
Post by
Orranis
C'Thun killed a Titan during the ordering
Im faaaairly sure it had to be a staring contest, curiously i neither can remember what titan dies before him, can anyone enlighten me please?
♪The Old Gods Love me♫
♪This I know♫
♪Be-cause Cho'Gall Tells me so!♫
♪I am Weak♫
♪They Make me Strong♫
♪N'zoth, C'thun and Yog Saron!♫
edit: wait.. this is illogical.. why hasn't adamsm posted yet i wonder?
edit2: correct me if im wrong, but wouldn't N'zoth be also responsible for the Emerald dream corruption, specifically, this encounter *would* theorically take place in the Rift of Aln?
...That is the greatest song adaption ever...
Can you make one called "Here comes C'thun?"
Pleeeeeasse....
Post by
Gone
♪The Old Gods Love me♫
♪This I know♫
♪Be-cause Cho'Gall Tells me so!♫
♪I am Weak♫
♪They Make me Strong♫
♪N'zoth, C'thun and Yog Saron!♫
killerdinoblood is going to have to see this...
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