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Post by
killerdinoblood
Ok i REALLY hate worgens but this is not why i am opening this thread.You see its totally idiotic to have Worgen Death Knighs.I mean blizz has done alot of things (Mostly minor things) that ignore the lore but..but...BUT Worgen Death Knighs are the biggest insult to every RPer in WoW.I mean seriously i dont care that Goblins are totally able to be DK and by that Logic Worgens should be able too.Worgens cannot be affected by any kind of blight nor that they are able to be rised.What are your toughs about this?
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611800
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Post by
Patty
It's a time paradox as well. However, Blizzard wanted DKs available for all races. If that involves ignoring the lore, then they'll do it.
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611800
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Post by
Adamsm
Lore hole, which Blizzard has admitted, same as every single new race will be in the next expansions.
Post by
oneforthemoney
I suppose they could have been bitten after the fact but the notion is still rather hard to swallow admittedly.
Post by
Morec0
Ehhh, it's not that far a strech, really. The Lich King is the power powerful necromantic being in existance, so I there's a little room for interpretation.
Possibly, your worgen was not killed and raised into undeath. Instead he was captured and simply tortured and filled with necromantic magic, having his soul filled to the brim with unholy death knight power, to the point that the worgen's will was broken and he became a servant of the Lich King. At that point, the necromantic magic would began to kill him, like it does all who practice it.
In this sense its not a direct reanimation, but a drawn-out process that might be a possible loophole for the Forsaken to exploit (which they never will, being that this is fanfic).
The Argent Dawn worgen... I'll get back to you on that. But it is possible that a member of Pyrewood village was able to resist the enslavement spells of the bracers Arugal gave them (a pre-Cata quest). They made their way north-east, met the Argent Dawn, and joined them. Alternitively, the time between Arugal's death and reanimation, and possibly his distance away from Pyrewood and Shadowfang, broke the enslavement gave one of the worgen, who was of storng enough will to resist going feral, time to escape and head northward to join the Dawn.
Post by
Rockbrow
As shown by the Tauren Paladins, classes ain't necessarily based on the default name for them. Same could be said for Death Knights, a Worgen Death Knight could just be considered an evil necromantic worgen who likes to beat people up with a big sword..
Post by
Rankkor
I'll just copy&paste what I said on the other topic
from a lore POV; every single event in the scarlet enclave happened exactly 6 months before WOTLK, and thus Arthas was still the lich king, and all of that jizz.
also from a lore POV, the scourge itself is nearly dieing, and only the cult of the damned is barely keeping it running, most of the upper echelon is dead already, and most of their forces in northrend are disbanded. Hell, the scourge is so weakened now that EPL has barely any trace of them left.
as to why there are worgen and goblin DK's, this was already explained, these specific Worgen and Goblin DK's already existed in the past, and were raised even before those 2 races joined the horde and alliance.
Worgen DKs arent from gilneas, they were some of the worgens from arugal in shadowfang keep that the scourge killed and brought to the ebon hold, and goblin DKs arent from the bilgewater cartel, but from the steamweedle cartel.
we simply have to asume that when the Ebon hold landed on the enclave, the scourge scouts brought all manner of corpses from every sapient race in azeroth there, so even if we haven't seen them, tehre's also pandaren Dks, Tuskkar DKs, Furbolg DKs, Naga Dks, hell, maybe even Murloc DKs ("Come over hereMRGLLMLRMGLLGMLRLMMGLR")
Post by
killerdinoblood
Yes but all worgen are immune to any kind of blight its totally illogical for us to have Worgen Deaths Knighs and ALL Death Knighs ARE undead they just count as Humanoids for game mechanics exactly as Forsaken count as Humanoid for ingame mechanics.Blizz your ignoring lore WAY too much get a hang of your self.And note all worgen dks...you dont exist.
Post by
Rankkor
Yes but all worgen are immune to any kind of blight
FALSE, if they were inmune to the plage why on earth would they evacuate gilneas in the first place? they won the battle to retake the city, they only fled because sylvannas bombarded the capital with blight, wich does kill everything and everyone in it's path. It's precicely why the blight is such a dangerous weapon, because it kills living and undead beings alike, and even the lich king was weakened by being exposed to it.
its totally illogical for us to have Worgen Deaths Knighs and ALL Death Knighs ARE undead they just count as Humanoids for game mechanics exactly as Forsaken count as Humanoid for ingame mechanics
just so we're clear, there are undead worgen in the game, check grizlly hills bro', worgens are inmune to the VALKYR-induced necromancy because they are no longer fully human, and thus aren't affected by their magic. (Valkyr can only rezz vrykul and humans as they are decentants of vrykul). But a skilled necromancer can rezz any form of living being into an undead one.
to put a simple example, Dwarves are also inmune to the valkyr rezz, and night elves, and gnomes (this is explicitly said on the silverpine quest-chain, as the 7th legion sent assassins to pyrewood village, and sent only night-elves, dwarves and gnomes because even if they are slain, they are inmune to the valkyr resurection) however just because they are inmune to the valkyr powers, doesn't mean AT ALL that they are also inmune to all forms of necromancy, as you do find multiple undead dwarves, elves, and gnomes in northrend.
and on this there are no exeptions. Maybe the only sapient form of life that can't posibly be resurected as undead are demons as they created necromancy in the first place, but everything else follows the rule "if it has a pulse, it can be ressed as a zombie".
Blizz your ignoring lore WAY too much get a hang of your self
nobody from blizzard reads these forums, and even if they did, they don't respond to reprecative responses like this.
And note all worgen dks...you dont exist.
yhea...... the wolf-cult would like a word with you.
again bro' the worgen are only inmune to the VALKYR induced necromancy, since they are no longer fully humans, but nowhere does it says they are inmune to blights, toxins, poisons, or the more mundane necromancy.
bear in mind that valkyr induced necromancy is not dependant on dark powers like the standard necromancy, but on runic power, hence why the valkyr-induced undead still retain their free will and can choose to serve the banshee queen, or walk away. (Marshal redpath and godfrey are examples of forsakens that refused to follow sylvannas, nobody in the forsaken ranks is forced to be there, when you wake up, they let you chose what you wish to do, this is NOT the case with standard necromantic undeath, those undeads have no minds of their own, evidenced by how my pet ghoul does what I told him to do at all times.)
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Post by
Magmarrax
Come to finish the job, have you?
You'll look me in the eyes when...
<Name>?
<Name>, I'd recognize that face anywhere... What... What have they done to you, <name>?
You don't remember me? We were both servants of Arugal back in Silverpine Forest. We put up with his merciless torture for ages. It was you who saved me on that fateful night when we escaped Shadowfang Keep.
Without you I would have died. YOU! The most noble worgen I ever knew.
What have they done to you, <name>? How could this have happened?
Remember the worgen you once were, <brother/sister>! You were our savior! Fight this!
Listen to me, <name>. You must fight against the Lich King's control. He is a monster that wants to see this world - our world - in ruin. Don't let him use you to accomplish his goals. You were once a hero and you can be again. Fight, damn you! Fight his control!
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The speech from Lord Harford, the Worgen that you have to kill for the DK quest. It explains everything, really.
Post by
Skreeran
The speech from Lord Harford, the Worgen that you have to kill for the DK quest. It explains everything, really.Yup, I'm rather shocked (
very
shocked, actually) that that conversation hadn't come up yet. It's all neatly explained, people.
Post by
Vaeku
As shown by the Tauren Paladins, classes ain't necessarily based on the default name for them. Same could be said for Death Knights, a Worgen Death Knight could just be considered an evil necromantic worgen who likes to beat people up with a big sword..
No.
In this case, a death knight is a death knight. If it was any different, Blizzard would have said so (like what they did with worgen druids, tauren pallies, tauren priests, troll priests, etc)
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Post by
Rockbrow
The speech from Lord Harford, the Worgen that you have to kill for the DK quest. It explains everything, really.Yup, I'm rather shocked (
very
shocked, actually) that that conversation hadn't come up yet. It's all neatly explained, people.
What does it say?
As shown by the Tauren Paladins, classes ain't necessarily based on the default name for them. Same could be said for Death Knights, a Worgen Death Knight could just be considered an evil necromantic worgen who likes to beat people up with a big sword..
No.
In this case, a death knight is a death knight. If it was any different, Blizzard would have said so (like what they did with worgen druids, tauren pallies, tauren priests, troll priests, etc)
Blizzard haven't said anything though on the subject, so you make what you want of it.
Post by
Adamsm
As shown by the Tauren Paladins, classes ain't necessarily based on the default name for them. Same could be said for Death Knights, a Worgen Death Knight could just be considered an evil necromantic worgen who likes to beat people up with a big sword..
No.
In this case, a death knight is a death knight. If it was any different, Blizzard would have said so (like what they did with worgen druids, tauren pallies, tauren priests, troll priests, etc)
Blizzard haven't said anything though on the subject, so you make what you want of it.
Not really; a Sunwalker(Tauren), a Blood Knight(Blood Elf), and a Vindicator(Draenei) are all still Paladins; they just have different faiths, but at the core, they are all similar. A Death Knight is a Death Knight; raised up by the Scourge and broke free. Yes, after that point, a Death Knight can choose to go off and do what they want, but they are all still unliving beings who draw on the magic of their original creators.
It's all about being used in an RP and being believed; if you attempted to walk around as a Death Knight and say you were a fallen knight or a necromancer, most people would just laugh and exclude you from the event. It's not about being 'special' or 'godly', just stay within the realm of the class and enjoy it.
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Post by
Rockbrow
Oh well I see your point.
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