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Battle.net Real ID System - Call To Arms
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datahedron
So it's not enough that you only friend people you can trust, but that you only friend people who will only friend people that
you
can trust. And this creates a problem: How do I find out, without revealing your real name to people that maybe have a grudge against you, whether they have a grudge against you? How do I know who can be trusted, not just by me, but by everyone on my friends list? How do I know, not only who I can trust, but who will never friend anyone I can't trust?
^^ This
Answer: What a strange game. The only way to win is not to play at all.
Bravo for Wargames quote! (Although having watched it yesterday, it was "What a strange game. The only way to win is not to play.")
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Hyperspacerebel
So it's not enough that you only friend people you can trust, but that you only friend people who will only friend people that
you
can trust. And this creates a problem: How do I find out, without revealing your real name to people that maybe have a grudge against you, whether they have a grudge against you? How do I know who can be trusted, not just by me, but by everyone on my friends list? How do I know, not only who I can trust, but who will never friend anyone I can't trust?
^^ This
Not this.
How is seeing a name, out of context and without any other information, something that involves trust? My name's in the phone book, my name's on my credit cards that I use several times a day, my name's on my mailbox. It's not that I trust everyone who see's my name in those places, it's that it really doesn't matter. Either you don't know how friends of friends works, or you're afraid of your own shadow.
As far as immediate friends go, if you don't have friends you can trust, don't blame the system, blame yourself.
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Hyperspacerebel
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Opinions can be wrong just as much as statements can be wrong, because an opinion
is
a statement.
Also, thank you for this. I seriously hate it when people use a lame line and say you can't argue with opinion, or that they're untouchable because of it.
However, matters such as like and utility are in and of themselves matters of opinion. Person A likes the system, Person B doesn't like it. Those are both opinions that both mutually compatible.
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Hyperspacerebel
Even that can be a bit iffy, though. In case of "like", if the grounding is completely faulty--or due to ignorance of anything else--it can still be wrong. As well, utility: if something inferior is used for a particular job, and there is an actual tool, item, etc. that is sufficiently better, that does not mean that the opinion that item #1 is correct; it just means that person's preference is different, or limited by what they know of or are capable of.
In this case, however, where you mention person A and person B disagreeing in their liking of the system (Real ID), I would say the same can apply. It just depends on what you want the system to do, what your ideas on what the system SHOULD do are, and if either of those meshes with that of the devs and their ideas for it.
If #1 and 2 don't meet up with #3, let the people who work on it know, or get feedback before doing so. I'm pretty sure that if Blizzard sees enough people wanting a certain feature, or read enough brilliant ideas (;D) from their customers, they would be more than happy to alter their new system.
And Hyperspacerebel, thanks for the reply! It's nice when people provide dialogue that makes you think, rather than a blatant "X sucks, Y is better" mind set! :)
Dev may make the system, but they don't give it meaning. It's the users that do that. In this sense, "the user is always right." Like (pleasure) and utility are aimed and personal, subjective ends. What makes me happy/efficient/fulfilled may not be what you need to be the same, and vice versa. So when it comes to something like Real ID, it makes the game more enjoyable for me, mainly because I can chat with friends I normally can't chat with. What makes WoW enjoyable for you may not be the same thing, and thus Real ID would not be the right tool for that.
No matter how you look at it, pleasure and utility are relative because they are measured with different standards by different people. So, as long as this system brings utility and/or pleasure to enough users (enough being relative to the amount of time/money put into the system), then there shouldn't be a problem.
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Hyperspacerebel
I don't necessarily want these people to know when I'm logged on..
They don't. Come on, people...make sure you know how the gd system works before discussing it.
Post by
sememon
Here is another interesting write up about RealID
, I stumbled across the link from the BBC site.
The most interest quote in the article was:
This system, in other words, is even more draconian about its enforced disdain for privacy issues than Facebook’s. When you make Facebook look like a paragon of privacy defense, there may be an issue or two
Post by
obiwaynekenobi
I don't see the big deal unless you want to be secretive. I like the RealID because I have some friends on Alliance side in my server and I faction changed to Horde, this way I can still talk to them. If you like to tell friends you're going offline, and then switch to a different character I can see why this would be problematic, or if you lie to guilds about raid availability because you're leveling with someone else or doing a raid with another guild or whatnot, yeah I can see that.
But IMO I don't see this as such a huge deal as people are making it out to be.
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Rilgon
I don't necessarily want these people to know when I'm logged on..
They don't. Come on, people...make sure you know how the gd system works before discussing it.
But then they couldn't whine and look like martyrs.
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SirPunky
I wonder how many of those who !@#$% about Real ID have tried it?
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