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Why is king Varian Wrynn racist?
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Another Varian thread, fantastic.
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Rankkor
If Varian's kidnappers found him, they would be scattered and alone, and Varian would do to them what he did to the crocisalk.
keep dreaming, beating a crocolisk, isn't the same as beating an armored company of naga+black dragons+defias.
they weren't scattered, they organized coordinated search and destroy partys, and don't forget taht varian was unarmed, wiht amnesia, and no armor on.
killing an alligator is one thing, but fighting unarmed against naga+black dragons+defias pirates is another.
if varian was so badass why didn't he escaped without the hyppogriph? because even as strong as he is he's not inmortal, put him in a 1 vs 1 team match on an arena and he can win, heck put him on a 5 vs 1 arena match and he can win, but have him face unarmed an entire regiments of armed soldiers and naga, and black dragons and u got yourself a dead king.
I think U're idolizing varian too much, he's not a god u know?
it is stupid to think that his kidnapers would be scattered and alone, they must know that varian can fight, so to find him the logic aproach would be search groups (key word GROUPS) of armed-to-the-theet soldiers.
:P I in real life consider myself a fairly good fighter, if a wild dog atacks me, I can subdue that animal, but if a gang of 10 mugers, armed with 9mm guns jump at me, there's not much I can do, even less if I'm unarmed.
same goes for varian. killing an animal is not the same as killing an armed sentient oponent.
if the horde are such a blight on azeroth then why-o-why does every player has to help them in the 2 first caverns of time instances?
easy, because wihtout the orcs, azeroth could had easily been conquered by both scourge, or legion.
without the orcs, the human nations would had waged war against each other, it was only a matter of time, the alliance only banded togheter to combat a common threat, but as soon as that threat was over, they started bickering and plotting agaisnt each other. (as seen in Day of the Dragon)
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Adamsm
Actually, they're probably more to blame... The Alliance leaders knew about Thrall's enslavement, wheras the Horde didn't know about Varian's.
Refer to Rise of the Lich King where Arthas is watching a bout of Thrall fighting.
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Rankkor
Actually, they're probably more to blame... The Alliance leaders knew about Thrall's enslavement, wheras the Horde didn't know about Varian's.
Refer to Rise of the Lich King where Arthas is watching a bout of Thrall fighting.Aye, that's what I'm talking about.
and don't forget that thrall wasn't the only orc enslaved, pretty much the practice of having orcs as slave gladiators became a common practice after the orcs were placed in the internament camps.
basically you think that it was correct for the alliance to do these things fully sanctioned by their goverment (most of the royalty knew about the gladiator treatment of the orcs, and not only they did nothing, they enjoyed watching the "savage" kill each others)
but you think is wrong for the horde to do these things, even when 90% of the crimson ring is conformed by members outside of the horde.
yhea reghar was horde, but what he did, he did so without the autorization or permission of the horde, the only reason the crimson ring prospered was because it was illegal, underground and clandestine.
If Varian was found by the Defias instead of Reghar, he would just slaughter them. The naga and black dragon flight thought Varian was captured, and Varian is more then able to take on a few cut-throats at the same time
give varian a weapon, give him an armor, give him food, rest, awareness, and yhea he can easily take on a "few" bandits.
have him unarmed, without armor, starved, lost, tired, confused, amnesiac, and against a full batallion of Defias Pirates, and u get a dead king.
when he was found on the shores, he was almost naked (in the sence he had no real piece of protective garment, only clothing) and was defenseless.
things would be diferent if varian wans't a warrior but say, a more supernatural class such as a mage, warlock, shaman or druid, now those are harder to capture, because their skills surpass the common limits of a human, and border on the supernatural.
look at broll, even unarmed he would had conjured the nature to cause a disaster, a mage could become invisible and sneak away, a warlock could summon demons to fight his enemy, and so on.
but a warior without a weapon and armor can't do much.
if u still don't believe me ,then make a warrior, level it to 80, and then strip him naked, put on him only a shirt, an ilvl 1 cloth pants, no extra piece of armor, and no weapons and take him to fight in icecrown and you tell me if you can kill at least 1 mob, just 1.
as a caster, while something like that would be harder, it's not imposible, but as a warrior, if u have no weapons, and no armor, and the enemy outnumbers you, then you can't win.
Varian is not a god, he's a man, no powers, no supernatural skills, no aid from a divine deitiy, is just him, and his training as a fighter.
a weapon makes the diference from living to dieing for a warrior, killing an animal wiht a stick and a stone doens't mean you can repeat that feat agaist a squad of well armed bandits, who could just as easily shoot varian with a blunderbuss (rifle) or bow, or crossbow, or slash him.
I ask again, if varian was so strong why didn't he escaped sooner? why did he need a hypogriph to escape? if he was so powerfull why dind't he overpowered the guards that kept him imprisoned?
the answer is simple.
50 vs 1=dead
broll could had escaped anytime he wanted to, but he chose to remain out of his own free will becuse he wanted to controll his rage, and he didn't wanted to leave valeera and varian abandoned.
what better example I can give you than the legendary Broxigar the Red?
now he was a warrior like no other has existed in history capable of atually wounding sargeras, and invading their stronghold killing hundreds of thousands of demons by the second.
and even he who is so powerfull and strong was overpowered when he was found by the night-elves, why? he had no weapon.
he was unarmed when the moonguard found him, and they were able to overpower him simply because they had weapons and he did not.
when he found a stick to fight with he slayed not 1 but 3 felhounds with a simple stick, and when he got his magic axe he downed demons by the thousands, but unarmed he was unable to do much.
think about that.
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Thrall has no right hating humans after all they did for him. Three humans Dark: Taretha Sargeant and Jaina. Every other human has treated him like the scum of the earth. Blackmoore nearly beat him to death after an Ogre just about killed him, sorry but that is not "good thing".
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And you forgot Tirion, the man who risked everything to help one orc.Yeah, to repay him for saving his life. And yes Thrall showed up to save Etrigg and let Tirion live, but your going on like being Blackmoore slave was a good thing... and it was, it showed Thrall that not all humans are pure evil, something Varian needs to learn about the Orcs.
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Rankkor
I will have you know, a warrior was the first toon I ever made, and if you have at least a weapon, you could fight. Varian was not unarmed, he had a stick, and I can hit way more DPS with a fishing pole then unarmed.
but that's against 1 oponent.
fight against several say a full group of search and destroy wich are composed of at least 15 plp, with no armor on, hungry, and lost, without rest, already injured (the croc maimed is foot).
besides jesuschrist, didn't reghar 1-shoted him? o_O
what u think the defias doesn't have mages or other mistic users?
don't even say "but varian wasn't prepared, he din't knew that reghar was gonna atack him" because the defias aren't known for greeting plp wiht a hello before stabing them, they come from the shadows, and hit their targets by surprise.
if varian had amnesia he woudn't had recognized the defias a a threat, he would had seen them, ask them for help, and get killed.
reghar could subdue him on 1 hit, u think the defias can't?
varian had amnesia, he didn't recognized the orcs as a threat and lowered his guard, if he saw the defias, wich are humans, his own kind, thus giving him even more reason to trust them, he would had lowered his guard even more so, and the defias would had overpowered him, the same way reghar did, exept they would had killed him.
next point, you keep saying that others have changed their opinion about the orcs because they have met honorable orcs and varian hasnt
well buddy, alextrazsa suffered WAY MORE than varian did at the hands of the orcs, and she hasn't met in person any honorable orcs (before the whole "let's go to northrend thingie") and even then she changed her mind about them, why? because she heard the storys, and she chose to believe.
don't pull that crap about "she met brox" because she did not, in the whole trilogy brox never spoke to alextrazsa at all, and before the whole dragonblight thingie she hand't met any honorable orcs, and still she saw and admited that they had changed.
varian has heard the storys about the honorable orcs too, from jaina, from tirion, heck even his own soldiers admit that the orcs are honorable.
what? u don't believe me? go to valgarde keep, and pay atention to the guards, eventually this quote will pop up:
"Valgarde Defender: Reminds me of the time I was stationed at Cenarion Hold during the second war of the shifting sands... Remember that orc? Saurfang? Damndest thing I ever did see.
Valgarde Defender: I'm no orc lover but yea, wish he were here right now. He'd dismantle these things!"
as skeeran said: You know you're good when even your enemy wishes you were on their team.
point remains, varian has heard of the storys of heroism of the orcs, and he REFUSES to believe, this is a flaw, and it makes him a racist, because his hatred for the orcs blinds him for the truth that they have changed.
others who haven't met honorable orcs (like rohnin) have also changed their opinions about them, because they see what the orcs have done, and what they have become.
if varian doesn't thats his fault.
next point
Thrall has no right hating humans after all they did for him, its wrong to blame the Alliance for Thrall's enslavment, because
he owes the Alliance too much
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let's see:
A: they treated him like an animal
B: they kept him prisoner inside a dark cold cage, in a dark basement with no windows or light if the sun for longer than nelson mandela.
C: they reguraly beated him up for no reason at all almost every single day, and double ration of beatings whenever he lost a battle.
D: they forced him to fight battles risking his life to entertain others.
E: they beheaded his best friend.
F: they kept his entire race in a prison.
G: they killed his mentor and hero.
H: when he and his people escaped to start a new life, away from the humans, prepared to live and let live, the humans launched UNPROVOKED an major naval invation to his kingdom.
ohh yhea, he really should be on his knee begging for thanks on them for all their blessings, all of the above are really good things. (that was sarcasm BTW)
urg, and he still NEVER judges a human by his race, but by his honor.
now let's see varian pls.
A: his kingdom was razed, but all the responsibles are already dead, and the common soldiers who acted in that act already paid their debt with 30 years of prison.
B:kept him inprisoned for less than 1 year, and in that year he had privileges many slaves never had, such as: Never was mistreated by his captors, was healed the moment he won, was alowed to eat and rest between fights, was allowed to pick his weapons and gear from the very halls of legends of the horde, not like thrall who was given a dull blade, a scrap of leather and a spit on the face, and was allowed to roam free among most of the mayor capitals of the horde, he rarely spent time "on a cage". ohhh yhea he did suffered poor varian.
C:his father was killed, but taht was not because of the horde, an orc did it, but not sent by the horde.
D: his hero was killed but the one responsible is already dead, justice has been served.
E:his wife was killed but not by the orcs or the horde
F:the same person who killed his father almost killed him but again, wasn't sent by the horde.
and that's about it, half of the tragedys in varian's life are atributed to a diferent group tottaly unrelated to the orcs or horde, and the other half of his tragedy is a much much watered down version of other major lore characters who have suffered WAY more than he did nad still act better than him.
come on, stop making varian into such a martyr, almsot EVERY SINGLE LORE CHARACTER HAS SUFFERED MORE THAN HIM, and they have all been able to move on, let the past go, bury the hatchet.
There's no point in arguing with someone who is so deluded that they believe Varian suffered more than Alexestrasza. I might as well be arguing with a horse in matters of quantum physics, they just don't get it.
quote of the century, I'm feelign tempted to use it as my sig XD
Edit: as a matter of fact I just did xD
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And I demand evindence of Varian saying "You orcs will never change" or "Death to the green-skins"
You and Skreeran are getting this idea out of nowhere
we live to serve ^_^
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your move.
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