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Comment by Thestool

"Total cap: 1,000,000"
I don't think I'm going to be doing that many dailies to accumulate that many.

Comment by TheStatman

As of 5.2 even the 1million cap seems to be gone, uncapped now as far as i can tell.

~~Total cap: 1,000,000~~

Comment by jd812

as of patch 5.1 these no longer take up bag space and are now listed under the currency tab

Comment by pmakaro

Confired with the implementation of the patch today these charms now cap out at 1,000,000. I started to deleted stacks a while ago when i had over 700 thinking I was safe at two and a half months of turn ins. I guess blizz has other ideas in mind.

Comment by adashiel

For each stack of lesser charms that was converted in 5.1, you received the following letter:

From: Usuri Brightcoin
Subject: Currency Conversion: Lesser Charm of Good Fortune

Dear Sir or Madam,

We have taken the liberty of changing your Lesser Charms of Good Fortune into a more portable and convenient form. We hope this message finds you in good spirits!

Yours faithfully,
Usuri Brightcoin
Dalaran Currency Exchange

Comment by Arcmon

So, umm... what are these good for? What is the purpose of these items?

Comment by Black2u

Ok I was only able to turn these in one time at the Shrine to the NPC. She had a yellow question mark over her head and I was able to get 3 of the Elder Charms.. but since then, and its been weeks now I have been unable to turn these in at the NPC. I raided last week, and all three of the Elder Charms were used in that raid encounter. So I now have '0' Elder charms. What is the deal? I thought you could turn these in once a week?

Comment by Nyassae

90 of these can be turned in ONCE per week for Elder Charms, that'll give you bonus roll's in LFR.

Comment by Miztahchipz

I would be happy if they would just let us use them for something else as well as for Elder Charms. I mean they already have a 1M limit to them, so perhaps Blizz may be thinking of these things already.

I submitted a suggestion to Blizzard that we could use them for purchases that use Spirit of Harmony, exchange them for Valor/Conquest points, or create a new vendor for them. If you have any ideas and/or like any of these, please send Blizzard a suggestion via the red ? next time you're in the game. Help out!

Who knows, maybe with all that has been added new in MoP (like the black market) they'll add a casino and a brothel next!

Comment by Carnassa

So I have a question. I don't play a ton just to have fun but over time my server has shall we say lost a few people and well Raiding is not something I think we even have enough people to do so what are these coins good for then? I have a boat load of them and feel like I should be able to use them in some way. What of the people who never got into the raiding part of the game? Did Blizzard forget us? oops
I mean I could pay yet again to move to a new server but I feel like why I already pay each month. Just saying

Comment by perculia

For Patch 5.2:

While Charms won’t be converted, Lesser Charm of Good Fortune will no longer be used to purchase Elder Charm of Good Fortune in patch 5.2. Instead Lesser Charm of Good Fortune will purchase Mogu Rune of Fate. They’ll be purchasable in the same way; once a week, 90 Lesser Charm of Good Fortune can be converted to 3 Mogu Rune of Fate via a quest in your faction’s Shrine. Mogu Rune of Fate will be usable for bonus rolls on 5.2 raid and world bosses only. Elder Charm of Good Fortune will continue to be used for bonus rolls on 5.0 raids and world bosses, and will now be acquired as item drops by killing enemies in the new 5.2 Thundering Isle outdoor zone.

For Patch 5.4, they are used for Warforged Seal which I have updated in the above article.

I have found a quick way to get 50 Charms is to kill Dread Ship Vazuvius and Evermaw repeatedly. These on average give me 15 Lesser Charms each. If you're in a rush, I would consider doing the first jumping chest, Gleaming Treasure Chest as well, which averages around 10 coins, and trying other rares like Huolon. I find it easier to kill rares on the Timeless Isle for coins instead of elite mobs since rares have shared tags for loot and elites do not.(##RESPBREAK##)2##DELIM##perculia##DELIM##

Comment by Shoadowolf

Whats the average/maximum amount of lesser charm of good fortune you can earn per day?

Comment by Tenkich

Ok, if anyone's interested how many can you obtain in one day (atleast i did) here's some numbers :

(Horde, Tauren DK, blood (ilvl 485))
21.February, 2013

So, that particular day it went like this :
Start = Vale of Eternal Blossoms
SoTM > August Celestials quest (random)

45 traveling

Sunsong's ranch

Farmer Yoon x1 Charms no Valor 9,92,50
........................x1 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Andi................x1 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Cook...............x1 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Farmer #1......x1 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Farmer #2......x1 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50 = 5 min (5)

41 traveling

Angler's Wharf

Angler #1.....x1 Charms x5 Valor 11,40
Angler #2.....x1 Charms x5 Valor 11,40
Angler #3.....x1 Charms x5 Valor 11,40 = 6:28 (7)

41 sec traveling

Domination Point (Note: im only friendly atm)

Quest #1.....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Quest #2.....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Quest #3.....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Quest #4.....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Quest #5.....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50 = 11:35 (15)

1:03 traveling

Klaxxi

Quest #1....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Quest #2....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Quest #3....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Quest #4....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Quest #5....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Quest #6....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Quest #7....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Quest #8....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50 = 17:54 (20)

1:06 traveling

Shado-Pan

Quest #1....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Quest #2....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Quest #3....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Quest #4....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Quest #5....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50 = 13:45 (15)

30 sec traveling

Niuzao (random August Celestial)

Quest #1....x2 Charms x5 Valor 24,72
Quest #2....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Quest #3....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Quest #4....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50 = 6:44 (7)

HS > SoTM

Golden Lotus

Quest #1....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Quest #2....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Quest #3....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Quest #4....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Quest #5....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50 = 8:45 (9)

Quest #1....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Quest #2....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Quest #3....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Quest #4....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50 = 8:30 (9)

Quest #1....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Quest #2....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Quest #3....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Quest #4....x2 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50
Final...........x2 Charms x5 Valor 24,72 = 6:34 (7)
Chest.........................................32,68,22

30 sec traveling

Archaeology
Quest #1....x1 Charms x5 Valor 19,84,50 = 1.5 sec

End = Vale of Eternal Blossoms

Total of .........82 Charms 225 Valor 882,34,52 = 1h 34min aprox. per day

Golden Lotus are most irritating one's and hardest, there's always others questing and such, so i leave them last and wrap up whole questing series

~~Serpent's dailies does not give charms, they give valor still, but that's not what I'm hunting atm~~
Well, i guess i forgot 3 quest do give x1 charm so it's like +3 charms 15 valor and 60g more

Total of : 85 charms 240 valor and ~942g in aprox. hour and a half with tanking dk gear (485) in patch 5.1 with revered rep except Dominance Offense

Comment by Sxeros

Just for clarity's sake, once patch 5.2 is live, Elder Charm of Good Fortune will only apply to Mogu'shan Vaults, Heart of Fear, Terrace of Endless Spring, the Sha of Anger, and Salyis' Warband (Galleon). There will also be a brand new Elder Charm of Good Fortune equivalent currently called the Mogu Charm of Fate. MRFs will be used in the new content being released in 5.2 including Throne of Thunder, Nalak the Storm Lord, and Oondasta (ooh, say it again!). They'll still be "purchased" with lesser charms of good fortune though, exactly how the current Lesser Charm of Good Fortune to Elder Charm of Good Fortune conversion works.

Source: http://www.wowhead.com/news=210180/new-patch-5-2-raid-charm-mogu-charm-of-fate

Comment by akatnel

I was surprised to see a message in my log just now that I received 4 x . I was even more surprised to realize that in my currency tab I have 13 of them total. All I had done just now was tame a battle pet in Mount Hyjal, on a level 85 character on an account that does not even have the MoP expansion (so I have not done any Pandaria quests or dungeons). I have been doing lots of pet battles and taming, but obviously I haven't been getting 4 of these every time. Do you just randomly get them sometimes, for no real reason? Just wondering what triggers them other than the long list of MoP quests listed under "Reward From".

Comment by Serrah

I used to do daily quests for these. I've spent quite a bit of time to level pets from 20ish to 25 today. The amount of lesser charms dropping from pet battles is vastly superior in time effectiveness compared to doing dailies. If you are looking to grind for charms then do pet battles.

Seems I get at least 5 coins every 8 minutes (pet battle bandage). Sometimes up to 10 coins.

Comment by woofpuppy

Unless I can spend these on Flawless Battle Stones, I'd prefer NOT to get them for pet battles. Just give me the Flawless Stones!

Comment by Beowolfy

Okay, I may have missed a posting or the patch notes, but as of 5.2 exactly where do you turn these things in?

Comment by Kittay

I don't know if anyone has really made this clear so:

These coins have a chance to drop for you in every pet battle that you win. Meaning you can use pet battles as an alternative to farming the charms.

EDIT: As of 5.4 you can get them from all the mobs on Timeless Isle. I've gotten 1k+ by farming rep there so far.

Comment by Eillesthis

You now only need 50 of these, down from 90, for Mogu Runes of Fate/Mogu Runes of Fate.

Comment by frakbt

Also note that the in-game tooltip has not been updated, and still mentions "the eventual conversion into Elder Charms of Good Fortune".

Comment by Saidin420

From an hour and a half of rare farming, it seems MoP world rares drop between 1-4 charms depending on level. Isle of Thunder rares also drop charms.

3 Jade Forst kills: all 1 charm.
1 Krasarang kill: dropped 1 charm.
3 Four Winds kills: both 2 charms.
1 Kun-lai kill: dropped 3 charms.
4 Townlong kills: one dropped 2 charms, three dropped 3 charms.
5 Dread Wastes kills: Three dropped 3 charms, two dropped 4 charms.
2 Vale kills: one dropped 4 charms, Major Nanners dropped.. 2 charms...
2 IoT kills: both dropped 3 charms.

And that's the 50 charms I needed on my alt, hope that gives a better idea on how many drop.

Comment by Werich

You can check this guide to see which dailies are the most effective to farm your 0 Lesser Charm of Good Fortune.

At the moment it seems that the fastest way requires 37 minutes of your time to get 0 Lesser Charm of Good Fortune for the weekly (A) Warforged Seals / (H) Warforged Seals.

Edit: updated for 5.4

Comment by Izzyz

I have just farmed around 350 of these coins with 4 other of my guildies in Northern barrens, took about 2h.
Me, mage.
Lock
Paladin, healer
monk, afk
warrior, lvl 85(got boosted)

We found a really good spot where you farm the Kor'kron Lumber, the spawn time were crazy!
And besides the charms it's a really good boost place for your alts, the warrior dinged 1lvl during this 2h farm.

Comment by fourmatixs

Now, in 5.3, these drop off of level 90 mobs in pandaria. Does anyone know the drop rate %?

Comment by MacForGaming

rate this up please i need rep

Comment by Salvith

I found that farming the mobs in either Lion's Landing (for Horde) or Domination Point (for Alliance) you can get a large amount of Black Prince rep up to Revered, the 3 rare Champions in both the Horde and Alliance areas have a chance of dropping either Honorable Commendation of the Dominance Offensive (for Horde characters) and Honorable Commendation of Operation: Shieldwall (for Alliance characters), and they also seemed to give a decent amount of Lesser Charms, which makes it an alright place to farm for them if you are looking into PvP'ing and PvE'ing.

Comment by rfrisk

I have 20 elder charms (the max) and 1589 lesser charms. Is there anything I can do with all the lesser charms?

Comment by jarastar2

I'd recommend farming atleast 1600 of these before 5.4

You can have 10,000 max.Easiest way to farm would be to get a group of 40 people - (if you look on openraid.us/chat) there should be a group going all times of the day.Just farm for awhile and can get up to 500 an hour.

Good luck!

Comment by Eillesthis

These can now be converted into Warforged Seals (which let you roll for loot in the Siege of Orgrimmar), via Warforged Seals/Warforged Seals. As before they cost 50 for 3 and can be obtained once a week from Elder Lin/Elder Liao.

Comment by Nari

The absolutely best after 5.4 to farm these is the Timeless Island. After few hour s, killing rares and elites, even without group or raid, I managed to gather 100 of these.
Never gonna do another daily for these.

Comment by VictusVeratus

These need to be used for more than just Warforged Seals... 4,332 and counting....

Comment by XxHorusxX

These also can drop from random rare spawns. I have gotten 1-3 from rare elites and am up to 30!

Comment by Pypode

These do me no good as I never have been on a raid and been in few dungeons. So my gear isn't very good. Would like to option to trade them for some useful currency.

Comment by ilostmahbucket

By far the best way to farm these now is Gulp Frog killing in groups on the East coast of the Timeless Isle.

Got about 500 in less than an hour with a halfway geared group of 5, they respawn faster than you can kill them.

Tight area, easy to loot them. Each party member gets a lesser coin looted per kill, plus you often get a bonus coin as they die. Just don't let their debuff on you get to 10, so don't pull too many at once.

Don't forget to grab the weekly quests from Kairoz and Emperor Shaohao near the celestial court for easy valor (weekly quests).

Can't be in a raid group.

You will also get a fairly high number of Timeless Coins (got 20k).

The secret is definitely out now. #savethefrogs

Comment by rockmanzero

Do love how the mechanic with the Charms work (exchange them for a currency to get bonus rolls on bosses) but do have a bit of a problem.

I almost always play on my druid and sometimes play on my alts. Now my druid has around 9000 of these nice little coins but my alts barely can keep up with getting 50 each week (got 11 characters at 90), what I would like to see is a way to share the coins with my alts (make it an account currency).

EDIT: They introduced the nice little feature for now to upgrade gear with coins but do have to say that on my main I already have all maxed out and again searching for another way to spend these guys. please Blizz just make them BoA or just account wide because this ain't helping people that keep everything maxed out on their main :(

Comment by di3di3di3

Why aren't these shared across all accounts?
Have 1000s on my main, struggle to find 50 per week on alts...

Comment by mastergame5

You can literally farm 100's of these at a time on the timeless isle. No more worrying about not having Warforged Seals and you get a free 45G boost with each week.

Comment by jaeryk

According to Lore, in 6.0 this will be what we use to buy gear upgrades with the removal of VP and JP. Soure: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/14059367017?page=1#6

Comment by viocot

Said to be used for item upgrades once patch 6.0 drops.

Comment by thirdrail

Starting in Patch 6.0, Lesser Charm of Good Fortune will be used to purchase Item Upgrades instead of Valor Points. The cost is still to-be-announced, but as of September 2, 2014, they are toying with 50 charms per upgrade.

Source:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/14059367017#6
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/14059367017?page=2#36

Lesser Charm of Good Fortune will also still be used to purchase Warforged Seal, however they are removing the 3-per-week restriction so you can purchase as many Seals as you have Charms for.

Source:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/14059367017?page=2#22
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/14059367017?page=2#31

Comment by wartune

Of course, the quantity of lesser charms dropped is totally bogus. Its really 1 or 2.

Comment by arbhatt

If you're looking for the upgrade vendor that will accept your Lesser Charms, it is Voidbinder Lunshur in the Ethereal Corridor of Shrine of the Seven Stars (for Alliance) and Voidbinder Shadzor in the Shrine of Two Moons (for Horde). There are no longer NPC's in Stormwind or Orgrimmar who do the upgrades.

Comment by Xistt

As of 6.0.2, Horde needs to go to Shrine of Two Moons and talk to Voidbinder Shadzor. Voidbinder Zorlan has been removed.

Comment by Pigglesworth

As of 6.0.2 the charms can be turned in for warforged seals nonstop, instead of a weekly quest.

Comment by Korobar

So can anyone confirm the "270 Lesser Charm of Good Fortune" from rares like the pvp ones or high priest of ordos? Because I can't get that many from them.

Comment by Soybeanie

Wouldn't it be swell if there was somewhere else to farm these other than the festering pile of #$%^ known as the Timeless Isle of #$%^s with nothing better to do

Comment by mrkellz

Will these serve a purpose in WoD? I mean it's pretty pointless to farm them otherwise, because who cares about upgrading your gear now when it's less than 2 weeks to the WoD release

Comment by Kilrathi3

it's 6.03 time and I found that the charms dropped by the 3 rares in lions landing are
LIES! <Frau Farbissina voice>
the charm drops listed are lies all lies!

I got 11 charms for all 3 alli scum rares

back to the island for frog legs and maw fin soup I guess
....
evermaw 21 charms
dread ship 15 charms
huolon 4 charms
leafmender 3 charms
cinderfall 3 charms
=================

it is far easier to get charms by farming the frogs, in a 5 man group, pref with a monk / tank that has the ox statue to draw them in.
this way just stay near it and blast away. 1k charms in an hour is easy.

Tailors or anyone looking to get massive harmony drops should do this too.

Comment by kabookiejoe

It would seem logical that when Blizzard removed JP/VP they would have made these the new currency for dungeons/raids to finish out the expansion instead of fighting for frogs on Timeless Isle

It would have been much more alt friendly way to close out the expansion.

Comment by pancakelizard

While YMMV, for those of you (like me) still working on Emperor Shao rep, you can avg about 250-300 of these from the mobs that give the rep in an hour. It is far less than the frogs (if you're in a good group) but you also get to work on that nasty rep at the same time.

Comment by Souperman

Didt a few wild pet battles and none dropped.

Edit : have 10 more pet battles done still no drop ...

Edit2: Total 35 wild pet battles, Lesser Charm of Good Fortune didnt dropped seems they remove it as a pet battle reward :-(

Edit3: Total 50 wild pet battles all i looted were 2 flawless aquatic battle stones

Comment by VulcanTourist

I suspect that the Dropped By table here is full of inaccuracies, and in at least one case the inaccuracy is severe: Gulp Frogs of the Timeless Isle now drop ONE Lesser Charm, not the 34 claimed in the table.

Comment by cstober2010

So, currently what can these be used for? Can you still use bonus rolls in SoO? Because you can still loot these, and theyre still piled up on my characters. Bonus rolls would be sweet when we start soloing SoO for tmog.

Comment by NcJackson

Charms No Longer Dropping

I have always grinded charms from Timeless Isle or in the main sky shard farming areas in Vale of Eternal Blossoms. However when I went to collect charms today on an alt I found that no charms were dropping, even from rares around Timeless Isle and Pandaria - Which was very strange, considering the charms have always been easily obtainable

I went around killing a number of mobs and rare spawns which got me a grand total of 2 charms, both from killing goats in the Valley of Four Winds.

Looks like these charms are going to be hard to find on alts, considering most mains have tons of the things!

Has anyone else experienced this?

Comment by Forgent

Since 7.3.5 some people get 1-2 from each Gulp Frog kill, however others get only 0-1. I have found that if you get 1-2 then all your toons will get 1-2 and vise versa. I do not know what might be causing this anomaly, maybe its a rep, an achievement, or a quest completion. I will update the post if i figure out what causes more coins to drop.

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