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I Need a PvE Destruction Spec
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asakawa
going so far out of your way to get a couple of points in unholy power but skipping a point in improved imp to get there is ridiculous.
one increases the imp's firebolt by 10% per point and one by 4% per point... you chose 4% >.<
you also skipped demonic power.
it's really quite a poor build and shows a lack of understanding of the talents. read the stickies please.
if you're hit capped
0/13/58
is the one you want to look at. if not then
3/13/55
is the way forward (the difference in glyphs is not accidental).
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asakawa
well, looking at the simcraft we see that 3/13/55 is
slightly
higher in T7 gear but 0/13/58 pulls ahead (again,
slightly
) as you move into ulduar gear.
in fact they're close enough for us to pretty much write off the difference in either case and look for other reasons to make the decision.
the suppression build does require that you have the gear to make up that 3% hit difference with dps stats so the average person who is struggling to get the hit cap will probably see that their dps is lower with the suppression build than if they could cap and use the other build.
the life tapping thing isn't, in itself, worth factoring in because, although the soul leech build taps less, the suppression build is rewarded for it's tapping with the glyph. the soul leech build doesn't tap enough to get the glyph so the taps they
do
have to do are lost GCDs.
essentially i'd say that the choice comes down to:
are you hit capped hit capped ► no = use 3/13/55
▼ yes
do you need to bring replenishment? ► yes = use 0/13/58
▼ no
do you have BiS gear that brings you below the hit cap ► yes= use that gear and 3/13/58
▼ no
use 0/13/58 anyway (replenishment is yummy)
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Razmortis
That's the one I'm using for normal PvE (questing and grinding etc).
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#IZbGcokhbZVbhqrcuVsVfot:0zq0zV
Instances and raids:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#IZfM0hzhZVbGVrcuVsVfst:bzq0zV
By skipping Pyroclasm, you gimp your damage by 6%. Just a heads up.
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asakawa
the choice with a 0/13/58 build is not between GoLT and GoImp, it's GoLT and GoIncinerate.
GoImp is a
very
poor glyph compared to either GoLT or GoInincerate but with improved soul leech you should definitely be using GoIncinerate. i strongly advise ditching the goImp immediately.
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asakawa
demonic aegis is FAR more valuable than the extra points you've put in destro. the other points in demo are generally fairly weak and considered stepping stones on the way to the stronger demonic aegis.
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Kangi
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...../cry, fetal position, throw computer out window
And I only read the horrible Destruction spec! I'm afraid to click the others!
Seriously (and I'm only going to comment on the first spec), why no Backlash? It gives 3% crit, if you haven't noticed.
Why in the world do you have Improved Corruption, Improved Shadow Bolt, and Glyph of Corruption?
No Backlash? No Empowered Imp? No Demonic Power? Molten Skin? Overall, I wish I could just banish you away from these forums and from the game itself just for posting that spec.
Edit: Your third spec is the most retarded Affliction/Destruction hybrid I have ever seen.
Edit#2: Dug through the forums and found something said by Gorefiend that
is the perfect reply to kironoma
.
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we need to be able to purge forum posts.
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byrel
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#I0xZfh0hohZEfhVr0uVoA00t:zMTVzM
if you want to go deep in dest (glyphs aren't random, at least the major ones)
no, no, no - you shouldn't be casting corruption, improved corruption is a waste - you shouldn't be taking much damage, soul link is a waste, molten skin/improved shadow bolt is also waste
no empowered imp, no backlash, no demonic power = this build is not good
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#IZfhbhoAzihcMZVchqr0uVob:zMTVzM
again, no - conflag is not worth picking up over felguard - if you want a hybrid build go with the 0/41/30 FG/emberstorm build - also, improved health funnel should never be taken for any reason in a raiding spec - it has some value in a leveling spec to allow your pet to tank elite mobs, but is 100% useless in a raid spec
and finally if you want to split Aff and dest (and some demo)
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#IfxRb0MAoVZf00bZVchqr0uVob:zMTVzM
again, no - shadow mastery AND emberstorm? no - if you are going deep affliction, you need to go all the way to pick up haunt for the dot increase - deep affliction PVE specs generally have 0 points in demmonology
I don't put any at Backlash cause if you are raiding you should not get hit by physiacl attacks, or Fel synergy cause it's useless to heal your pet or any of Fel Domination or MAster summoner same deal useless for raids, if you wipe you'll be 5 min at least doing nothing explaining teh boss or whatever and if you kill the boss and your pet dies you'll be 2 min rolling so you don't need them.
put points in backlash for 3% increased crit, not for proccing instant nukes
fel synergy is very useful - a single point is generally enough to keep my imp alive through just about any fight
and the reason you don't pick up fel dom or master summoner is not because "you'll be 5 min at least doing nothing explaining teh boss", it's because for a PVE destro build, you only drop 13 points into demonology regardless - you grab demonic aegis to give you ~150 extra spell power and stop
Correct me if i'm wrong but demonic power? what's that for? so the imp has a faster fire bolt so you have more chances to tick Empowerd imp?
yes, but you skipped empowered imp - demonic power will result in a 20% increase in empowered imp uptime
the short version of this is: the builds listed as optimal in the stickies are called that for a reason, and major changes to them will always end up in a poor build
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