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Post by
fewyn
Yes, I could use some help. I've noticed recently my dps doesn't feel up to par with other critchickens in similiar gear so I come to ask you for some help.
http://www.wowhead.com/?profile=us.norgannon.moonshaker
That's me (I know I'm wearing the healing 10 man helm >_> it was better than my old T8 hat going to replace it as soon as I get another trophy)
I start out with Moonfire then Insect Swarm then first time application of Faerie Fire pop Starfall and start spamming Starfire until Solar Eclipse procs then spam Wrath and go back and forth and reapply Moonfire and Insect Swarm at the end of each Eclipse.
Here is a parse from this pasts weeks raid
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-2jadc620sum43dzn/fights/
Any help would be appreciated.
Post by
QuestionC
I think your DPS is fine for your gear. The gear's the problem. You have an awful lot of Spirit. I didn't see any issues with the log parse though.
Rotationwise... do not cast Farie Fire on Snobolds. It's a waste of time that doesn't help the raid enough to make up for the 1 less wrath. As a rule, it's not worthwhile to Faerie Fire anything that's not a boss.
Do not wait for the end of Eclipse to reapply dots. Dots have priority over Wrath/Starfire at all times.
The things that jump out at me gearwise are...
1.
Bejeweled Wizards Bracers
should be in the wrist slot, not the leather crafted.
2.
Malfurion's Vestements of Triumph
should definately be one of your T9 pieces. It is beyond compare.
3. In the future, use
Reckless Ametrines
to activate +SP bonuses in yellow sockets. That is, your shoulders, bracers, belt are all gemmed wrong.
4. The T8.5 helm is not that bad. It is not significantly worse than the T8.5 Shoulders, Gloves, or Chest, so hang on to it. Plan to re-equip the T8.5 helm after you get T9 Chest.
I ran simulationcraft on your character, and
here is the item weights
based on it. I lowered down the hit, but everything else is just the machine generated damage scale factors. Don't take it as gospel, but it's not like data will hurt you.
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404185
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Post by
Gemily
There's nothing wrong with you gear, it's all moonkin gear. So don't worry about having "too much spirit".
I would actually suggest you use some
Potent Ametrines
instead of reckless just because your haste is so high and your crit is on the low side. But that's completely your call. It
is
suggested that you socket Runed Cardinal Rubies in everything, I think the rule is if it's +9 spellpower then you can socket for the bonus.
I think the main problem would be your rotation. Like Obe said, throw up FF first.
1. Because it will increase your chance to hit
2. FF stays on the target for 5 minutes, whereas Moonfire and Insect Swarm only last for 12 seconds. So if you put them up first, they'll fall off in the middle of your eclipse :(
So.... FF, IS, MF, Nature's Force, Starfall. I prefer Wrath until Eclipse, but to each his own.
If Moonfire falls off before Eclipse is over it's a good idea to reapply it, but usually Insect Swarm can wait.
If you use Nature's Force as soon as possible, you have a good chance to get to use it again.
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340332
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Post by
Gemily
He isn't stacking spirit, it's just on his gear. All of his gear is perfectly acceptable moonkin gear. What is he supposed to do? Petition Blizzard to take it off? :D
Les has a good point about Starfire (That's what he meant, not Starfall) until Wrath.
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340332
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Post by
Gemily
Indeed, crit and haste are better options than spirit (Hit very first until cap of course)
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Post by
murakaz
Gear, talents, glyphs, and rotation seem fine. Once you've up'd your crit a bit your Starfire crit rate should be closer to 100%, getting the WiseEclipse add-on helps with this quite a bit.
Post by
curlymon
Gearing:
While the Stormrage Helm is quite powerful you will gain the most out of the T9 Helm. Infact your best setup from gear for you would be T9 chest and helm t8 shoulders and legs. Gloves are quite strong as T9 but you can go non-set at this point for a strong pair of gloves. This will move a fair chunk of that spirit over to more useful stats. This is an ideal setup as it give a large chunk of useful hit from your set allowing you to take advantage of moving neck, ring, and trinkets over to more direct damage based stats, or essentially allowing your gear to be come MUCH more flexible in terms of what you are looking for. Don't worry overly much if this seems like a big change the biggest thing to have is 2t8/2t9 whcih you have.
As other have said you are losing a lot of itemization to spirit rather then hit/crit/haste but I feel it has more to do with gear available to you rather then misinformation. Ideal piece of gear are going to have a combination of SP/Crit/Haste.
Gemming wise you have it down very solidly as well as chants so Kudos :P
Rotation:
iFF > IS > MF > Wrath (til proc) > SF (til proc) : Refreshing MF and IS as they go down with priority given to MF if they are both down.
Procing Lunar first is a noticeable increase to DPS assuming you are running
WiseEclipse
. With WiseEclipse you will want to start casting a Wrath right after the last Starfire of a Lunar Eclipse. In addition to that addon I suggest you use a castbar addon that displays, in some form, the cast latency allowing you to tighten up your cast queuing.
Looking at the report you seem to have everything in order except possibly WiseEclipse setup as that tends to cause Wrath to become your highest overall damage spell on a fight (not by much but it does cause it to pull into the lead abit).
So once again Kudos :P
Talents:
Assuming you are having no mana problems right now your best bet is to move the point in Typhoon over into iIS.
Also you might look into moving points out of Gale Winds and into Intensity if you encounter any mana issues in the future or you cannot guarantee that you will always run with a source of replenishment. Gale Winds is one of those awesome talents that just does not shoehorn into raids overly well unless you really have to have it for a specific fight or you really have no better place for the points themselves.
Final Thoughts:
Not a bad setup you have going. Mostly just a bunch of tweaks to things. The biggest gain you will see out of all of this will be the gear changes. If you want to see those changes in action take a look at my
Profile
. I may have better gear then you but my intention is showing you the flexibility inherent with the setup I have.
Post by
fewyn
Sadly the Tier 8 shoulders are very very very very unrealistic for me as we refuse to do Yogg-Saron anymore. But thanks for the info so far!
Post by
curlymon
Sadly the Tier 8 shoulders are very very very very unrealistic for me as we refuse to do Yogg-Saron anymore. But thanks for the info so far!
The 10 man version are only a small step down from the 25 man. The reason the shoulders are chosen is not because of their individual power. It has more to do with the strongest pieces of the T9 set forcing you to choose between gloves shoulders and legs for the 2t8 bonus. The non-set gloves that are available out there exceed the non-set shoulders leaving you with shoulders and legs (which just kick the pants off the t9 legs...).
10 man Thorim is a cinch :P
Edit: bad pun...
Post by
QuestionC
The non-set gloves that are available out there exceed the non-set shoulders leaving you with shoulders and legs (which just kick the pants off the t9 legs...).
This is not true if your guild gives cloth wearers priority on cloth drops.
Given that both the Anub gloves and Yogg trinket are low supply/high demand, T9 gloves are, in the long term, the BIS you can expect without some form of favoritism or a hell of a lot of lucky drops happening.
Post by
curlymon
The non-set gloves that are available out there exceed the non-set shoulders leaving you with shoulders and legs (which just kick the pants off the t9 legs...).
This is not true if your guild gives cloth wearers priority on cloth drops.
Given that both the Anub gloves and Yogg trinket are low supply/high demand, T9 gloves are, in the long term, the BIS you can expect without some form of favoritism or a hell of a lot of lucky drops happening.
Oh I am well aware of that fact as you can tell if you look at my armory :P
I'm a bit confused though as you quoted the the part that explains the reason Gloves are the chosen spot for not-set pieces yet spoke about set pieces. If I understand what you were trying to say then you are correct in thinking that the t9 gloves area a very strong candidate for the spot, but like I said non-set pieces are strong here if you can get them :P
Post by
Celdhyrean
As curlymon said, 10 man T8 shoulders + offset gloves are actually a better setup than T8 25 gloves +offset shoulders. Of course that requires you to get the Anub gloves (i got them on a night nobody wanted them, I don't understand how but didn't complain).
Post by
fewyn
Yea, I very much doubt I'm ever going to step foot into Ulduar again anytime soon. I've done some fiddling with my gear, didn't notice I was over hit cap by 100 points until this morning >_> (Balance of Power+Imp FF+Draenei=237 hit cap)
Post by
DrDrako
i gotta ask one question. does your guild allow you to roll on cloth gear?
if so, start rolling on some imo. Generally, cloth dps gear would probably result in a bigger boost than leather.
seeing as how there are only
3 leather pieces
(normal and
heroic
) that lack spirit outside tier gear, rolling on cloth to trade up some of your spirit for haste/crit seems like a grand idea imho.
Post by
fewyn
Yes we allow bidding on cloth, the problem is the actual dropping of said cloth. Lost out on
Gloves of the Lifeless Touch
earlier tonight :(
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