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Post by
Adamsm
Alright, seeing as certain people feel compelled to drag the King of Stormwind into any Thread, whether it's about him or not, I figured I'd make this, and give all the haters and lovers out there a chance to air their feelings. (Keep it civil, don't insult one another, keep the slurs about Captain Chintastic to a minmum.)
Son of the late King Llane Wyrnn, the young human prince lived happily within Stormwind for 12 years, trained by Anduin Lothar and others in the arts of war. Things changed of course when the Orcish Horde arrived on Azeroth and war broke out. The young prince was kept in the city, watching as his father and the Lion of the Azeroth rallied the people to fight back, till the day when Lord Lothar went to Karazhan on the suggestion the great wizard's Medivh apprentice Khadgar and the spy Garona Halforcen, warning them there was a problem with the Wizard.
A few month after that point, the young Prince watched in horror and anguish as his father was murdered by a friend, Garona, and his city and homeland were destroyed by the Orcs. He fled to the northern kingdoms, along with those survivors of the city and Lothar. Once there, they asked King Terenas for assistence which he agreed to. The Prince didn't have much to do with the Second War, but while Lothar and the Alliance army were off fighting, the young Wyrnn was training with Prince Arthas Menethil and his weaponmasters.
Though older then Arthas by 2 years, the two royals become fast and steadfast friends, with Varian teaching the younger lad that war wasn't a thing of glory and joy, that people died and suffered. Varian felt the need to teach the lad so that he wouldn't end up like him, with a father killed needlessly by one they considered a friend. Of course, he had no idea what the future would hold for his friend.
After the end of the 2nd War, Varian returned home to Stormwind, and with the help of Lordaeron and King Terenas, rebuilt the city and the young Prince was finally crowned King of the southern human lands at the age of 18. Both Terenas, who considered the boy a second son and Arthas were proud and pleased, with Arthas challenging his old friend and.... well Arthas lost, Varian was always the better swordsman.
King Varian had made a deal with the Stonemason's to be well compensated for rebuilding the city, but due to corruption within his House of Nobles, including a young woman named Katrana Prestor, they were never paid the money owed them and ended up starting a massive riot that claimed the life of Tiffin Wyrnn, his wife and mother of Anduin, his young son. The young king mourned for his wife as the leader of the Mason's, one Edwin Vancleef, fled Stormwind with his fellow people, who would one day form the Defias.
During the Third war, Varian was unseen, no doubts due to problems in the southern lands, but had Lordaeron asked for assistence, he more then likely would have sprang to help them, feeling a deep debt of honour to the Northern Kingdoms. Like others who knew Arthas, he felt sadness that his old friend had fallen so far, and grieves for the loss, but like all others now on Azeroth, will do whatever is possible to destroy the corruption that is the Lich King.
Following the End of the Third War, Varian attempted to travel to Theramore to speak with Lady Jaina Proudmoore, who had recently battled against her own father to stop an unwarrented assault on the Orcs, and try to set up a treaty with the new Horde. While enroute, he was captured by Naga and Defias working for Katrana Prestor, or as she is better known, the Dragon Onyxia. Prestor, in a grand attempt to take over the Human Lands by splitting the king in two and taking an easy moldable version of the King to rule as a figure head.
The plan ended badly, with the strong willed version of Varian escaping and washing up on the shores of Durotar, where he was captured by an Orc Shaman gladiator trainer. Over the course of a few months, Varian, called Crocbait, then Lo'Gosh, trained as a Gladiator, won the Dire Maul Champions, then escaped from his master, with the help of Broll Bearmantle and Valeera Sanguinar. The King eventually ends up in Theramore, there learning of the spell cast on him for losing his memory.
He returns to the Eastern Kingdoms, become embroiled in the Ironforge and Dark Iron war at the Thandol Span, helps an old friend regaining it. They travel to Stormwind where they end up confronting the other Varian and Onyxia. What follows is standard fare: they chase the Dragon to Dustwallow, the two Varians are given a pair of ancient magical Blades that Jaina discovered at some point, they fight and kill Onyxia, but not before she ends up reversing her magical spell and the two are made whole again.
Following the fight with the Dragon, Varian, now incredibly leery of the Orcs, agrees to try the peace treaty one last time, and meets with Warchief Thrall at the island city. While there, both parties come under attack by a group of Twilight Hammer cultists made up of both Alliance and Horde races, and led by that dark figure of Varian's past, the Assassin Garona Halforcen. He doesn't realize at the time she is magically controlled and believes that attack is done by the Horde.
Over the course of the battle, Garona's son appears and Varian sees a chance to hurt the Assassin as badly as she hurt him, but due to unforseen circumstances, he is unable to carry out a threat he makes(I still don't believe he would have killed Med'an). After that point, Varian in a rage leaves the city, stating that he refuses to believe the Horde has changed at all in the last 20 years.
So, the Scourge assault beings, with Varian creating the Valiance Expedition to travel north to fight back against the Lich King, his old friend, Arthas Menethil. The battles in the North are fierce and dark, culiminating at the Wrathgate. Now, and this is where I might get flamed, but as I have not done the Wrathgate Horde side yet, I have no clue what Horde players see.
Varian learns of the events at the Wrathgate when a messenger from the North arrives with the shield of Bolvar, the man who had raised his son during the years Varian was missing, the man who had lead Stormwind during those dark times, and a man the King considered like a brother. Varian sends another messenger to Thrall along with Jaina Proudmoore, intending to find out what Thrall was intending on doing about this. After they return, Varian, deciding to deal with this threat himself, attacks the Undercity, wanting to wipe out RAS and the vile undead (from his perspective) who had orchestrated this attack.
While battling through the Undercity, Varian is forced to see the city that long ago had been his home away from Stormwind and grows more and more angry, till finally reaching the Sanctum of Grand Apothecary Putress, and seeing what the monster had been creating for all these long months. The King enraged kills the Forsaken with the assistence of Jaina and others, and is appauled by the sight of hundreds of dead humans, their bodies maimed butchered and destroyed. He realizes that the Forsaken had been planning this for a very long time, and he intended to stop them once and for all. The battle might have been deadly for all once Varian and Thrall faced off in the Forsaken throne room, but Jaina, proving her level headedness quickly teleports the Alliance forces out.
A few months later, the events of Ulduar occur, with Varian stating that he refuses to work with the Horde even against a threat such as the Old Gods.
So, there's a recap, again, follow the rules for the threads, and if your in someone else thread and think of something, come place it here.
Post by
Adamsm
And to add some things here outside of the Varian Lore:
Sylvanas had been creating the Blight for years, and she had every intention of using it on "Any living or Undead" she saw as a threat.
Seeing the Undercity in such a mess would have been hard on anyone, and knowing that his old friend was responsible for it, would have been worse.
I only touched on the events of the comics lightly for a reason, as they have been stated over and over again.
Finally, I am a fan of Varian, and I still hope that one day Blizzard will get him over the whole "Kill all Greenskins." But.... from the Cataclysm important people page:
The king of Stormwind, recently returned to claim his rightful place, has little love for the Horde. His reasons are many: when Varian was a young boy, he saw his father murdered by the half-orc Garona; the orcs' warchief, Orgrim Doomhammer, slew the valorous Anduin Lothar, who had delivered Varian safely to Lordaeron after the fall of Stormwind; Varian was later enslaved by the orcish gladiator trainer Rehgar Earthfury; and at the Wrath Gate, many brave Alliance soldiers died at the hands of the Forsaken's Royal Apothecary Society. Varian, who had always been wary of the orcs, discovered that the Royal Apothecary Society had been developing the new plague for years. The events that transpired during the battle for the Undercity convinced the human king that the Horde has been left unchecked for too long: the time has come to make things right.So it might still be some time.
Post by
Patty
THANK YOU!
Maybe my Jaina thread can be about, y'know...Jaina?
Post by
Adamsm
Was actually thinking about posting this last night after I made that comment in your Jaina thread, but was too tired at that point. Your welcome patty heh.
Post by
taurenmoo812
I'll put a pre-rendered post in short to get an idea of how I think of this.
Varian sucks
Garrosh sucks
Thrall and Jaina do /facepalm
Post by
Patty
I'll put a pre-rendered post in short to get an idea of how I think of this.
Varian sucks
Garrosh sucks
Thrall and Jaina do
/facepalm
eachother.
Fix'd. Jokey manner, don't go all "OMG HE SEEZ HER AS A SISTAH!1!one!1L2LORE" on me. :(
But anyway, I think Varian is far too blinded by his own personal hatred. He's not really fit to lead Stormwind, until he cools down a bit anyway.
Post by
taurenmoo812
I'll put a pre-rendered post in short to get an idea of how I think of this.
Varian sucks
Garrosh sucks
Thrall and Jaina do
/facepalm
eachother.
Fix'd. Jokey manner, don't go all "OMG HE SEEZ HER AS A SISTAH!1!one!1L2LORE" on me. :(
But anyway, I think Varian is far too blinded by his own personal hatred. He's not really fit to lead Stormwind, until he cools down a bit anyway.
Agreed.
Though it would be funny to see him pop a vain and run head first into a low level door with his 'RAWR ME KILL ORCES'.
Post by
Skreeran
I've unloaded all my thoughts elsewhere, and am not really intending to type it all up again... :P
Know this:
Garrosh is wrong.
Varian is partly wrong. (Genocide n'all that.)
I think Varian is basically a human Doomhammer (loves his people, but isn't afraid to wipe out another race for his people's survival).
Post by
451455
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Post by
Skreeran
Proof to these "wipe out a race", and "acted on emotions and personal hatred, not seeing-his-people-torn-to-shreads-in-a-lab" would be nice.
(Skreeran likes Varian, he just does not know it yet.)Well, this one isn't Varian personally, but he has the same attitude...
Exhibit A
Exhibit B:
King Varian Wrynn says: I've waited a long time for this, Thrall. For every time I was thrown into one of your damned arenas... for every time I killed a green-skinned aberration like you... I could only think of one thing.
King Varian Wrynn says: What our world could be without you and your twisted Horde... It ends now, Warchief.Varian definitely meant to kill Thrall.
And if he's not going to exterminate the orcs, what does he plan to do? Kill them until they can't fight back anymore? Put them back in concentration camps?
Post by
Rankkor
you know, despite all the trash-talk I've made about varian, in my eyes he actually could be a really awesome king if he fixed his main problem:
he just can't let go.
it's a known fact that the old horde did some awefull stuff, such as killing his father, and lothar (by far my second most loved lore character was this guy, I almost cried when he died on warcraft I U.U)
but varian can't and won't accept that the new horde is diferent than the old one.
how dangerous this is? very dangerous, because any bad guy can use this weakness to exploit it to their own benefit, they can do terrible crimes, and then put some orcs on the crime scene and presto, varian will utterly ignore all evidence and imidietly pin the whole stuff on the horde.
no better example can be what happened at theramoore, someone tried to kill him, allrite, that can make anyone angry, but he didn't bothered to investigate, or to listen to others, he automatically saw that the assassin was an orc and assumed it was sent by the horde, with no evidence whatsoever.
and she wasn't sent by the horde, it was by the old gods, (wich now that I've brought it up, those same old gods made garona kill varian's father too)
now a general may have the luxury to think like that, because their only concenr is war, but a king doesn't have that luxury, they owe it to their people to make sure EVERY judgement they take is the right one.
when varian assumed garona was sent by the horde he made the wrong judgement, and that hasn't been the only bad judgement he has made.
mark my words, varian's obsession wiht the crimes of the old horde will be his undoing, that's a terrible weakness that anyone wiht half a brain can explote for their benefit.
his-people-torn-to-shreads-in-a-lab
for the last time, they are humans, is not like they have a driver's licence that says "citizen of stormwind" or anything, for all we know those could be members of the syndicate, or the scarlet crusade, both of wich stormwind considers criminals, that alone is not enough proof, as there are thousans upon thousands of humans that are not affiliated to stormwind, lordaeron, or the alliance in general.
I bet he woudn't had cared at all if the forsaken experimented on furbolgs, after all for varian those are just animals.
Post by
451455
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Post by
Skreeran
Just reminding you on one thing, people keep thinking the test subject was some little girl, but it was a woman. Yes, not much a difference, but there is
some
difference.
Post by
451455
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Post by
Adamsm
Yeah, it was a human woman in RotLK, not a girl. Still, Sylvanas did create the Blight to be used as the ultimate weapon of death, seeing as it kills the living and the dead. I still think the Horde should keep an eye on the Dark Lady, just in case.
Post by
Rankkor
=( sadly I haven't read Rise of the lich king, I just can't get it on my country (getting my current books, wich are of blood and honor, Lord of the clans, and war of the ancients trilogy, was hard enough)
the only argument I can wield is this one.
at the start of World of Warcraft, the forsaken indeed had the intentions of wiping out every living creature on the world as well as the scourge ( the intro narration of the forsaken tells us that much) and since rise of the lich king is based before wow, that could be the reason for sylvanna's cruelness.
now, I'm not gonna argue that the forsaken are evil, because they are....
I admited it on another thread, (it's called plea of understanding for the horde) the forsaken are very evil in my eyes.
however, that's what I love about the horde.
not that their races are evil, but rather, they are former evil races trying to earn redemption.
when the blood-elves joined they were very evil, having even a naaru captured and feeding on the poor thing, however, lorewise, after the sunwell, the blood-elves have redeemed themselves, and now are a just and noble race.
the same thing is happening to the forsaken, but it's a gradual change, the first step was the fact that after putress betrayal most (if not all) of the RAS is dead or disolved.
and now their manufacture of the blight has stopped for good, I don't think neither sylvannas nor thrall want such a strong weapon to be used against them ever again.
and I'm convinced that on cataclysm (or maybe even on WOTLK) the next chapter on the redemption of the forsaken will continue.
out of all the 5 races of the horde:
the orcs were really evil on the first and second war, and have now fought hard to redeem themselves.
the blood-elves were also very evil, but now even on the eyes of the draenei leader they are plp of justice and honor.
the darkspear trolls had a dark history of canibalism and pagan rituals involving voodoo magic, and worship to dark gods, but after thrall's influence they have embraced shamanism as their new religion and let go of the dark legacy that has consumed the rest of the trolls on azeroth.
tauren have always been holy.
and now Forsaken, they were evil on warcraft III, they were evil at the start of wow, but now I think after the wrathgate their redemption is starting, but for now we can only wait and speculate if blizz will continue this plot arch or leave it like that.
time will tell.
Post by
Rankkor
Dont change the subject ><
not to be too thecnical or anything, but you also changed the subject, this topic is about varian, not sylvannas.
just saying.
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451455
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Post by
Adamsm
Hey! Don't start again. Stay focused, both of you.
Post by
Rankkor
we didn't started anything at all bro, simple debate, that's all.
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