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Post by
pelf
http://www.wowhead.com/?forums&topic=107972&p=1228734
Could some of you regulars look at this and see if we want to actually drop those old guides or keep them? I personally think that there's a lot of good information compiled in them that can still be of use. I would so rather they been editable by the community, but forums aren't wikis and they're owned by Nabterayl and he isn't around anymore.
Post by
pelf
@Aa, specifically. If you would like to vent your need to post walls of text, perhaps you could simply modify the 1-3 parts and repost them under your name. I'm sure Nabterayl wouldn't begrudge you even copy/pasting whole sections. If you do that, we can drop the old stickies and use yours and have someone who is still around able to manage them. Then we could also stave off more of these types of complaints.
Post by
109094
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Post by
curlymon
The info in there is definitely outdated but a lot of the mechanics behind the scenes are definitely still valid. I'd almost rather see a rewrite of them with much credit to Nabterayl's original works.
Edit: Oh, and bad pun btw...
Post by
Heckler
I'm currently reading all the 'Helpful Threads' in-depth to try to form some sort of opinion. I think the biggest complaint people have is rooted in the '(Out of date)' note on parts 2 and 3 of Nab's guide. The average joe clicks open the Helpful Threads, sees 'Out of Date' and then stops digging. Especially when the one that for-sure
ISN'T
out of date (parra's) is listed
below
those that are explicitly labeled as such.
While I realize that the list isn't in any sort of order, if the 2nd thing is out of date, then why would you trust anything lower than it on the list? Honestly, when I need info like for a respec, or something where I just want to verify information, I check parra's FAQ, and if its not there, I hit google/ej. I've never even looked through the 'old' stickies because I don't want to take the time trying to figure out if I can 'trust' them... The effort involved in verifying the info ends up being more work than just starting from scratch most of the time. (I'm not implying the threads are bad, just that I've never read them in-depth because I don't
know
they're good)
Anyways, I'll finish reading all of these things and post some sort of opinion in a bit.
Post by
Gemily
That's my point exactly, we have up-to-date (except for the Resto part, which still isn't
out
of date) information in FAQ! And it even covers all the specs. Sure the guides have "some" useful information, but as Heckler mentioned, by the time you figure out if it's still legitimate you've done more work than necessary.
Even if someone wanted to write a new guide, it really would be easier to just start from scratch.
My 2 cents of course.
Post by
pelf
Another possibility here is to trash Gryphon's post completely and simply sticky parra's FAQ thread and have parra put the links to the other posts in there. That way we have someone active in the Druid community here maintaining not only at least one of the main information threads but also the links to the others.
That could certainly be a good start that I would endorse if parra's up to the job.
Post by
Heckler
My initial thought was to consolidate all non-active posts (regardless of whether they are truly out-of-date or not) into a single sticky and just label it 'Once useful info' or something. Even when the information is good, if the author is no longer maintaining the info, I don't think is as valuable as a post that is being actively maintained.
Putting a section into parra's guide actually sounds like a better idea to me.
Here's a little feedback on the current contents:
Druid Guide, Part 1: Overview, Class Mechanics, Leveling
Druid Guide, Part 2: Bear Tanking (Out of date)
Druid Guide, Part 3: Cat DPS (Out of date)
Druid Guide, Part 4: Healing
Druid Guide, Part 5: Moonkin DPS
-- All 5 of these are very nice, but since they were written for level 70s and they are no longer maintained, I think its time to flush them. I'm not saying the info is bad, a lot of it is still good, but weeding through what is and what isn't is a lot of work. I support putting a link to all of these in parra's FAQ, but I vote for them to be removed from 'Helpful Thread' / Sticky status, mainly because they are no longer active.
Easy Pre-Naxx/Heroic Healing Gear List
This is still pretty valuable info, but since its no longer active, I vote for removal. I'm up in the air on whether or not this belongs even as a link since the info is so old.
Tanking Gear for Heroics & Raids
This is out of date and not active. I don't think it should be linked, and I offer an alternative that IS active:
http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t62193-feral_tank_pre_raid_gear/
Raid/Heroic Prerequisites for Druids
I like the concept here, but I think the info should be worked into the "Am I Ready" section of the FAQ rather than linking it. Also, since this is no longer actively maintianed, and doesn't really cite any sources, I could agree with the 'toss out' option altogether. But I think this question should be answered in parra's FAQ, because it is asked quite often and people want a cut-and-dry simple litmus test, as unrealistic as that may be.
Druid FAQ
This needs to be moved to the top of the list, if nothing else.
The Druid's Guide to Tanking
This is well written, and seems to be active. A lot of the info is already in parra's guide, but there's quite a bit of in-depth information that is very valid.
edit: STICKY SITUATION! I get it! /facepalm (I literally just now put 2-and-2 together)
Post by
109094
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Post by
pelf
I would certainly rather link off site than to old information.
@Parra, what do you think about removing the useful threads post by Gryphon and just putting the links into the top of your FAQ thread and having that stickied instead? No idea if they'd go for that since they'd probably bring up the consistency argument.
edit: STICKY SITUATION! I get it! /facepalm (I literally just now put 2-and-2 together)
Thanks :).
Post by
109094
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Post by
pelf
what consistency arguement?
That each forum should have the same sticky-aggregation thread with the same name. If we remove Gryphon's post and put the cross-links in your thread, then we now have one that isn't named the same.
I don't personally care. I think people will look up top and click whatever's there if they're going to.
Post by
109094
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Post by
pelf
I could always rename it to something other than Druid FAQ if need be
Well, answer my question, then? :)
What do you think about removing the useful threads post by Gryphon and just putting the links into the top of your FAQ thread and having that stickied instead?
I kid you not, my CAPTCHA is "kosby".
Post by
109094
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Post by
Heckler
How about this:
Split the 'Helpful Threads' post into 2 sections:
"Active Threads (Up to date as of # / # / #)"
"Archived Threads (Inacitve or Outdated)"
I really think if the "Helpful Threads" is actually going to be helpful, the MORE helpful posts listed in it should be pointed out somehow. Seeing parra's FAQ up there next to stuff that hasn't been accurate since last year just doesn't seem right.
@pelf: Should we be posting in the "Site Feedback" thread as well, or is the goal to come up with a consensus here, and then just point to it in the other thread?
Post by
109094
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Post by
Aadramelekh
OMG OMG OMG OK
I just read through the topic. And the one linked up there. I guess I could be arsed to help in building some nice and up to date 'druid help' topics on feral themes - Bear & Cat. Talent builds, methods, gear lists etc.
Post by
109094
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Post by
Heckler
I think if we only get 1 Non-"Helpful Threads" post, then we should keep a generalized "Druid FAQ" -- But since we're likely going to be forced to keep the Helpful Threads topic around, maybe the 'Druid FAQ' should be literally a
F.A.Q.
sheet, and just point out the answers to common questions for each spec, one of which can be "Where do I find in-depth knowledge on Feral?" which will link to the Feral specific post...
That way the FAQ maintains its usefulness as a... 'Useful Data Index', and the 3 in depth posts will fill out the 'Helpful Threads' so we don't have any nasty "Out of Date" labels floating around? While I'd love to help write one of these sections, my knowledge is really lacking when it comes to 'actual use' -- I don't even raid =D Maybe I can contribute something about leveling, I've done more of that than anyone should.
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